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re: Catholics to excommunicate priests who follows Washington law about reporting child abuse
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:18 pm to The Boat
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:18 pm to The Boat
quote:
Praying on a rug 12 times a day is less absurd than confession.
to be fair the rug is just because the prayer involves kneeling and laying prostrate, I do t think the rug itself is essential just practical if you’re going to pray like that
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:23 pm to biglego
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Just some nice quiet people praying on a rug not ever bothering anyone.
It's a wonder why people don't report sexual abuse to Muslim clerics in their town. Since the priest is bound by oath to keep your privacy private.
Ironically, bashing confession in the context of this thread is damn close to victim blaming.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:
What should be higher on their lists?
Not for me to decide. Just telling you what the rules are.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 4:11 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Well they took an oath so that would make sense
While I agree, this was a man made oath... If those same people now made an oath that child abuse was legal, would it then be morally right for priest to blindly follow that oath or morally right to stop such a disgusting thing from continuing to happen?
If Jesus was here today and found out that his priests were defending child abusers because another man told them to...
At what point when you move away from morals does something just become a cult?
I guess what I'm saying is that when excommunicated priests end up in heaven and practicing priests are going to hell.... Maybe something was lost along the way.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 4:15 pm to GRTiger
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The reason the church disagrees with the law isn't because they want to protect child abusers. It's because they want to protect their 2000 year old religion
(emphasis added by me)
Well, of course.
No logical person would assume that "they don't want to tell b/c they want to protect abusers".
The reason the Catholic Church is getting "singled out" is likely because, up until very recently, they had a very poor record of reporting and covering up, abuse, oftentimes within their own ranks.
Otherwise, this law never gets brought up.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 4:22 pm to N2cars
quote:
the Catholic Church is getting "singled out"
by the government
I'm sure the reasons for this law were born of good intentions, and I hope there is a workaround to protect victims. But you need more than that to justify targeting one religion by law.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 4:28 pm to GRTiger
The government makes the laws.
The problem the Catholic Church is going to have is convincing the majority of Americans, and some Catholics, that this law is a bad thing.
And you're right, it will come down to a test of religious freedoms, and how far those freedoms go.
I wouldn't hang my hat on "that's the way we've done it for 2000 years, so its ok".
They banned polygamy, after all.
The problem the Catholic Church is going to have is convincing the majority of Americans, and some Catholics, that this law is a bad thing.
And you're right, it will come down to a test of religious freedoms, and how far those freedoms go.
I wouldn't hang my hat on "that's the way we've done it for 2000 years, so its ok".
They banned polygamy, after all.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:19 pm to Sterling Archer
9-0 SCOTUS decision in 3…2…1…
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:21 pm to Sterling Archer
quote:
requiring clergy to report information about child abuse to law enforcement — even if given in the privacy of the confession booth.
How could this possibly ever be proven?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:44 pm to Sterling Archer
Wow well good luck on judgment day. Y’all are in for a rude awakening. This is sick
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:49 pm to SammyTiger
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1. I think this law is unconstitutional and will get struck down if and when it challenged.
judge blocked the law this afternoon
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:54 pm to TigerintheNO
I think a lot of responses are missing that this is an old thread and the bump was about the judge blocking it. This was clearly going to happen
To remind everyone, priests are mandatory reporters in any situation except confession. This law was unenforceable and just meant to target priests.
To remind everyone, priests are mandatory reporters in any situation except confession. This law was unenforceable and just meant to target priests.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:01 pm to Indefatigable
Wrong. They are mandated to report potential harmful crimes
Posted on 7/19/25 at 9:25 am to Sterling Archer
That is sick.
People who would confess something like that to priests would do it without the priest seeing them face to face
People who would confess something like that to priests would do it without the priest seeing them face to face
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:04 am to 777Tiger
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wouldn't that be obstruction?
Accessory either before or after the fact.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:10 am to MMauler
The law makers know the priests can’t confirm OR deny what was discussed during a confession. The probable way this law will even get enforced is after the person is arrested. He would say something along the lines of “I confessed this to Fr. Whoever” then the state would go after the priest knowing good and well the priest can’t confirm or deny the allegation without breaking his oath to the Church.
Also I’m not a priest but I would assume there is some protocol when a person confesses as grave sin such as this in the sense that the penance would not be something as simple as say a few Our Fathers.
Also I’m not a priest but I would assume there is some protocol when a person confesses as grave sin such as this in the sense that the penance would not be something as simple as say a few Our Fathers.
This post was edited on 7/19/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:20 am to Ingeniero
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just meant to target priests.
I've heard that a lot.
Does the law specifically state Catholic priests, or is it written in such a way that one would surmise that is the case?
I've asked that already and gotten a vague response and I personally haven't read the law.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:30 am to STEVED00
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The probable way this law will even get enforced is after the person is arrested
Am I the only person who considered the other side of the coin in this? The law does not distinguish between a potential perpetrator and a potential victim. It would require the priest to publicize that which was said by a person who chose an outlet with protections for privacy.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:33 am to Big Scrub TX
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People here see pedophilia under every rock...except the actual Rock.
Are you suggesting that people here do not want priests who abuse kids held accountable? If so can you post a few examples?
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:38 am to GRTiger
We all have a right to privacy, but underage victims report all the time to police and their names remain private.
And adults report situations where the victim is a minor, and names aren't published.
And adults report situations where the victim is a minor, and names aren't published.
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