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re: Catholics to excommunicate priests who follows Washington law about reporting child abuse
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:50 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:50 pm to Indefatigable
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Priests have never been able to reveal what they're told in the confessional.
What should be higher on their lists?
1. Confidentiality
2. Riding the world of demons
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:54 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Well they took an oath so that would make sense.
Priest likely knew he’d be excommunicated. Probably easier to sleep at night unemployed than protecting the worlds worst.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:54 pm to Sterling Archer
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These people are the scum of the earth
Are you Baptist or atheist?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:00 pm to GRTiger
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Are you Baptist or atheist?
Neither. I believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins. And that abusers shouldn't be protected no matter what your religion is.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:05 pm to Sterling Archer
I dont know how anyone could argue any other way.
Matthew 18:6
Matthew 18:6
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:06 pm to Sterling Archer
Well calling Catholics the scum of the earth is probably a bit hyperbolic to someone with your beliefs. Very Islamic (aka atheist) language.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:11 pm to Sterling Archer
Imagine rationalizing keeping your job over going to the police to protect a child.
Someone I am close to was abused and raped by their father. The parish priest was well aware of the abuse. The priest told this young child to pray for their fathers soul and to continue to practice forgiveness. I often wonder at the kind of person who can sit in a booth and listen to this every week while doing nothing. Listen to a broken child cry and beg for help and do nothing.
Someone I am close to was abused and raped by their father. The parish priest was well aware of the abuse. The priest told this young child to pray for their fathers soul and to continue to practice forgiveness. I often wonder at the kind of person who can sit in a booth and listen to this every week while doing nothing. Listen to a broken child cry and beg for help and do nothing.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:15 pm to Tiger99999
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Imagine rationalizing keeping your job over going to the police to protect a child.
You're reducing a core religious tenent and a law forcing someone to break it to what exactly?
Did this law call out all faiths and demand that they break the laws of their religion?
Can I ask these questions without the mid brains just declaring me a pedo or whatever goes through those surface street heads?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:16 pm to Sterling Archer
This is really simple actually if I was priest. WWJD?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:17 pm to GoRuckTiger
At the very least they should encourage the person to tell the police or someone not bound by their deeply held beliefs.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:18 pm to Tiger99999
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Imagine rationalizing keeping your job over going to the police to protect a child.
How about losing your soul by committing a mortal sin? The seal of confession is quite literally considered sacred by the Catholic Church. To break it and share a person's confession with someone else, including the authorities, is an egregious sin.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:23 pm to GRTiger
It is ridiculous to hate all Catholics, they are Christians,and are denomination under the Christian faith. ( Lutheran, Methodist, etc)
(Only Muslims hate all Christians, and vow to eradicate them)
I am unaware of any other Christian denomination that, as a tenet of their faith, is unable to reveal unlawful behavior, but I dont know them all.
(Only Muslims hate all Christians, and vow to eradicate them)
I am unaware of any other Christian denomination that, as a tenet of their faith, is unable to reveal unlawful behavior, but I dont know them all.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:26 pm to N2cars
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is unable to reveal unlawful behavior
Unable to break the sancity of the sacrament of reconciliation. That's what this is. If a priest sees something on the street, he's likely informing authorities if it makes sense to do so.
This is literally telling one specific faith which parts of their faith they can't practice. In any other context, how many writing this off as sinister Catholic shite would defend religious rights in America? Hopefully most of you, though that's probably optimistic.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:33 pm to GRTiger
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This is literally telling one specific faith which parts of their faith they can't practice
That is my question; are there other denominations where this law would be applicable?
And, does the law specifically call out the crime of child molestation, or is it any lawbreaking at all? I personally have not read ot.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:39 pm to Indefatigable
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Louisiana had an interesting case 15 or so years back or so where the court ordered a priest to reveal something related to a sex abuse case that was told in confession--basically a choice between excommunication or a contempt charge.
I think it was overruled before the priest had to make the choice though.
It was now retired Fr Jeff Bayhi, well known and respected priest throughout the BR Diocese.
She told during confession, would it have made a difference if she told him as a matter of a personal meeting, not in confession?
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The case of Fr. Jeff Bayhi, a priest of the Baton Rouge diocese, made national news after he was sued for not reporting the alleged sexual abuse of a child to authorities. The woman who said she was abused, Rebecca Mayeux, claimed that in 2008, when she was a minor, she told Fr. Bayhi during Confession that she had been abused by someone at his parish.
In 2009, she sued the now-deceased parishioner, the diocese, as well as Fr. Bayhi for allegedly knowing about the abuse but not reporting it under the state’s mandatory reporting law.
Fr. Bayhi said he could not testify as to whether the conversation he had with Mayeux even took place, because of the seal of Confession. Priests may not reveal the contents of a sacramental confession or even say whether the confession even took place.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:43 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Yes, it was definitely the hypocrisy.
Hiding behind some make believe oath of silence is almost as bad as abusing the child yourself....
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:08 pm to N2cars
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That is my question; are there other denominations where this law would be applicable?
Every religion has rules they must follow to be in good standing with their religion. That's the answer to the question you're trying to ask. It doesn't have to be the exact thing. The reason the church disagrees with the law isn't because they want to protect child abusers. It's because they want to protect their 2000 year old religion. You can agree or disagree with that concept, but at least think of it from the proper premise.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:16 pm to Sterling Archer
1. I think this law is unconstitutional and will get struck down if and when it challenged. This essentially will develop a common law privilege for religious confession as to the priest/pastor whoever if they so wish to claim the privilege.
2. Priest can also report child abuse if they see any other evidence of it and should.
3. Aren’t priests allowed to require people in confession to go claim responsibility to police as a condition of penance?
2. Priest can also report child abuse if they see any other evidence of it and should.
3. Aren’t priests allowed to require people in confession to go claim responsibility to police as a condition of penance?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:16 pm to GRTiger
quote:Luckily they have earned the benefit of the doubt in regards to child abusers.
The reason the church disagrees with the law isn't because they want to protect child abusers. It's because they want to protect their 2000 year old religion.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:17 pm to The Boat
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Praying on a rug 12 times a day is less absurd than confession.
Just some nice quiet people praying on a rug not ever bothering anyone.
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