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re: Are car generations of the pre-Covid era going to become highly valued in time?
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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the 5th gen 4Runner
We got word on Friday that our 2019 is totaled after being hit by a drunk driver, and I'm devastated. I wanted to keep it forever and joked that one day our kids would be driving it. I've even tossed around the idea of buying it back and frame swapping it, yes, I'm that attached to it.
2nd Gen Sequoias are another line that's holding value, equipped with the same 5.7 V8 as the same year Tundras and can go forever. That may be what we replace the 4Runner with for now.
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:41 am to YOURADHERE
Looks like you can get a 2019 4Runner for sub-25k, just FWIW.
You can find 2019 460s in the low 30s and MDXs in the mid-high 20s
You can find 2019 460s in the low 30s and MDXs in the mid-high 20s
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 8:42 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:42 am to HubbaBubba
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Is your Tesla robot going to carry you out and tuck you in to your car, give you a handjob and wave bye-bye as it sends you on your way?
Hope so. I’ll have the female version obviously.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:44 am to UptownJoeBrown
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Hope so. I’ll have the female version obviously.
Exactly. You said Tesla, not Teslo
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:45 am to Cheese Grits
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This isn't really a function of Covid as much as the EPA regulations leading to what seems to be no reliable engines at all. Also, the engines rely less on natural aspiration and combine turbos with fewer cylinders to maintain power. This adds to the complexity and has just been a disaster for reliability. Even Toyota is having major difficulties creating reliable ICE engines in this regulatory environment.
The V-6 in Buick sedans were awesome and reliable. These 4 cylinders with turbos are not the answer, but will consumers become savvy enough to demand such in numbers>
Turbo engine reliability issues are overblown. Typical mass market half-truth-driven hysteria. OTR trucks have been running turbos for decades for millions of miles. The Ford 2.7 TT is one of the most reliable high mileage engines in mass production over the past decade, with only one batch having issues with incorrect valve heat treat that could have just as easily been in a NA engine.
Are some turbo engines overstressed? The GM I4 in their full-size trucks is a good candidate, but so far is doing well in the real world. Some NA engines are basket cases too - witness the present round of GM V8s with cam issues. The fan boys like to forget this, but every new engine Toyota has launched for the past 25 years has had major problems. They just don't launch new engines very often, so it's easy for the collective to forget, but their hallowed V6 had some catastrophic problems when launched way back when, history is repeating itself with their new TT engines.
Cars becoming rolling computers is problematic. IDK why the YouTubers decided to clickbait on Ford, but everything in those videos is old news for every automaker on the planet. As one example, Nippon Denso, one of the largest electronics suppliers in the world for the global industry (and they dominate in Japan of course) introduced the concept of monitoring the driver's physical health and mental state way back at CES in 2014 or thereabouts. Their concept was to transmit it to national healthcare entities rather than insurance companies, since most of the world was headed for state-owned healthcare at the time.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
The 2022/2023 Lexus 460's are the sweet spot for that model. Naturally aspirated V8, plenty of good tech, not too much of the bad. Lots of knobs for things.
They aren't too cheap though. The ones with low mileage sell for almost as much as original MSRP.
They aren't too cheap though. The ones with low mileage sell for almost as much as original MSRP.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:48 am to TheRealTigerHorn
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Some NA engines are basket cases too - witness the present round of GM V8s with cam issues.
Yeah bc of AFM which is even worse than turbos
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:49 am to CatfishJohn
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They aren't too cheap though. The ones with low mileage sell for almost as much as original MSRP.
I'll say I don't get too worried about mileage in one of those if they've followed service intervals and haven't been in wrecks. Hell if you got a good discount on a wrecked one that was serviced properly, I'd probably consider it.
That platform is proven almost bulletproof. It takes basically intentional user error to destroy them.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:50 am to red sox fan 13
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There is also the killswitch legislation coming into effect this year that literally requires all US sold cars to have preinstalled ransomware that bricks your car if the AI thinks you are drunk
The use of AI seemed promising in terms of public safety but it kept locking sober women and asians out of the car resulting in several lawsuits
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Ours was a TRD Off Road Premium, KBB comes in around the low 30s, which is pretty wild considering we paid $40k for it new. So far the only other TRDORP I've found under $30k has ~220k miles on it.
At this point I'm assuming the at-fault probably just has the $25k minimum coverage, I'm halfway tempted to just take their $25k and keep the 4Runner and either sell it as -is outright or hang onto it, collect parts, and repair it myself, frames can be had for ~$1500 and I'm just dumb enough to do it.
My other option is to turn it over to my insurance to collect maybe an extra $5k, lose the vehicle, and have my insurance rates go up for filing a claim.
At this point I'm assuming the at-fault probably just has the $25k minimum coverage, I'm halfway tempted to just take their $25k and keep the 4Runner and either sell it as -is outright or hang onto it, collect parts, and repair it myself, frames can be had for ~$1500 and I'm just dumb enough to do it.
My other option is to turn it over to my insurance to collect maybe an extra $5k, lose the vehicle, and have my insurance rates go up for filing a claim.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:51 am to YOURADHERE
quote:I love the 5.7 V-8 but as someone who goes 45-50k per year…..
2nd Gen Sequoias are another line that's holding value, equipped with the same 5.7 V8 as the same year Tundras and can go forever. That may be what we replace the 4Runner with for now.
(Image from inside a Sequoia’s fuel tank)
I’m used to MPGs above 20. (Two Avalanches and then Three Grand Cherokees have been my last five vehicles)
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm actually in the market for a new car (new to me) and really dreading it.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:57 am to soccerfüt
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I love the 5.7 V-8 but as someone who goes 45-50k per year…..
We had one with the smaller V8, and it also drank gas. Not as bad as the 5.7, but as big as that SUV was, it was still a gas guzzler. Not bad on the highway but 90% of our driving was around town.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
It's a huge reason why I went with an is 350 for my sedan. It's their tried and true NA v6. I know it'll last a lifetime if I keep it long term - it'll also be their last before swapping to in line turbo and electric
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:03 am to bbap
I keep up with car stuff a good bit and I don't even know of a new vehicle that I could recommend someone buy.
I would almost tell them to buy this R8 for $48k or this 2019 C7 for $43k as a joke
I would almost tell them to buy this R8 for $48k or this 2019 C7 for $43k as a joke
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
I think car manufacturers could sell a shite-ton of retro vehicles that are mostly analog without all the digital, computerized bullshite that's in every new car today. I don't want to scroll through a billion touch screen menus just to change AC settings or some other simple shite. Give me a toggle switch, a push button, or a slider. It's also a shame that manual transmissions are disappearing.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:10 am to Saint Alfonzo
I think buttons are coming back for like AC and other basic tasks.
That ain't coming back on normal cars. It's a fight to get them on super/hyper cars
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It's also a shame that manual transmissions are disappearing.
That ain't coming back on normal cars. It's a fight to get them on super/hyper cars
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Lots of 21-23 models were decontented due to various component shortages.
The usual, popular vehicles may have pre-Covid will go up, but most won't.
The usual, popular vehicles may have pre-Covid will go up, but most won't.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:13 am to Saint Alfonzo
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It's also a shame that manual transmissions are disappearing.
Why?
Automatics are now far superior. And f1 is just paddle shifting.
A classic clutch and stick is obsolete
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