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re: Are car generations of the pre-Covid era going to become highly valued in time?
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:13 am to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:13 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Planned obsolescence.
I think car manufacturers could sell a shite-ton of retro vehicles that are mostly analog without all the digital, computerized bullshite that's in every new car today.
Screens and digital components break and cost FAR more to replace than knobs and buttons.
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
What you’re seeing is the result of the EPA running off the leash for decades. This is the end result of all the “save the planet” bs.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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That ain't coming back on normal cars. It's a fight to get them on super/hyper cars
I know. The whole "make retro cars" thing could include manual transmissions. It would be a niche market but potentially profitable.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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I keep up with car stuff a good bit and I don't even know of a new vehicle that I could recommend someone buy.
For the average buyer? Almost anything. Average miles put on the car for the average amount of time someone buys a new car is between 95K - 105K. Almost any new car can last that long with regular service.
Myself, I only keep cars 4 - 5 years with an average of 60K miles. I have only ever had one not last that long. It was a Tacoma that shredded a cam at 43K.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:26 am to Cosmo
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Why?
Automatics are now far superior. And f1 is just paddle shifting.
A classic clutch and stick is obsolete
I don't know, man, some of us still enjoy driving an actual car. Automatics are boring as hell. I'm also not interested in having my Tesla chauffeur me around. I don't trust any of that robot shite anyway.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:WHAT?!?
effectively every car manufacturer is failing at producing a reliable vehicle these days.
quote:WHAT?!?
The stalwarts (Toyota, Honda) are in major decline.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:39 am to RobertFootball
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What you’re seeing is the result of the EPA running off the leash for decades.
Yeah my OP says this
quote:
This isn't really a function of Covid as much as the EPA regulations l
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
Look up the Toyota recall on the 35A 3.4L twin-turbo V6
I think they're having transmission issues, too.
Toyota was amazing at their simple 4, 6 and 8 cylinder naturally-aspirated engines. The trade off was typically fuel economy. Their new generation of engines is nowhere close to that old standard.
I think they're having transmission issues, too.
Toyota was amazing at their simple 4, 6 and 8 cylinder naturally-aspirated engines. The trade off was typically fuel economy. Their new generation of engines is nowhere close to that old standard.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What you "think" is unreliable information.
I think they're having transmission issues
Post some links to data which supports your claim that new cars today are generally less reliable.
Auto makers have said for at least the last 5 years that their new car sales aren't growing like they used to partly because cars last longer and have fewer mechanical issues than years ago. So buyers own their cars longer now.
quote:Source: Google Gemini
Americans are keeping cars longer than ever, with the average vehicle age hitting a record 12.8 years in 2025. Driven by high new car prices, high interest rates, and improved vehicle durability...
Besides recalls have been a part of vehicle manufacturing since the Model T Ford.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes. Much like how raising kids screenless is becoming a status symbol compared to the drones in public schools being pacified with iPads, the wealthy will have perfectly maintained tech-free cars from the early thousands while the majority of society is kept in check with high-tech nanny state vehicles.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 10:40 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:39 am to LSURussian
The mere fact that you see so many poorly-maintained Altimas still moving along the highway disproves his theory. 
Just about every manufacturer has significantly improved their reliability from even 10 years ago.
Just about every manufacturer has significantly improved their reliability from even 10 years ago.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:40 am to N2cars
quote:All it will take to get rid of this is another "cash for clunkers" initiative to get those out of circulation. I think that's coming.
The mere fact that you see so many poorly-maintained Altimas still moving along the highway disproves his theory.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:42 am to LSURussian
quote:
Post some links to data which supports your claim that new cars today are generally less reliable.
Just FYI, your data is including cars from the generation I'm discussing as being potentially valuable and the generation prior, which is skewing those numbers.
Study finds 3-year vehicle dependability drops as COVID effects linger
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Three-year-old cars have become less reliable than at any time in more than 15 years, according to the latest data from J.D. Power.
The research firm’s 2025 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study found vehicle problems after three years of ownership have reached their highest level since 2009, with the industry average of 202 problems per 100 vehicles representing a huge 6% jump from 2024’s 190 PP100.
The issues are most notable in mass-market brands, which showed an increase of 16 PP100, related in part to software defects.
J.D. Power said the rise in problems was not a surprise, as the company’s 2022 Initial Quality Study found problems early in the ownership period of 2022 model-year vehicles hit a record high. Three years later, those issues are still there.
The tech race is crippling new car reliability, study finds
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Based on 93,380 participants, who owned or leased new 2023 model-year vehicles in America, the The JD Power 2023 US Initial Quality Study [?] concluded that the industry average went up to 192 number of problems per 100 vehicles – compared to 180 in 2022.
quote:
Major automakers such as Toyota, Lexus, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, BMW and Mercedes-Benz all saw slight dips in new vehicle quality rankings.
A number of brands couldn’t be included in the survey, however – including electric carmakers Tesla, Polestar, Rivian, and Lucid Motors. These companies declined to allow JD Power to survey their owners in states where consent was required, and therefore weren’t able to collect representative data relative to other car brands.
If you look at the chart, it shows Toyota and Mazda having more issues.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:43 am to When in Rome
He's also confusing quantity with quality, and those Altimas he's seeing are all from the prior generation, which is a similar mistake that Russian made.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
It's pretty obvious you've never taken a business statistics course in your life.
Or, you struggled with math in general. Probably why you became a lawyer...
Or, you struggled with math in general. Probably why you became a lawyer...
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:56 am to LSURussian
quote:
Or, you struggled with math in general. Probably why you became a lawyer...
99th percentile PSAT/ACT score says otherwise
*ETA: in math
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
That’s why I’m going 2020-2022 for a new to me Highlander. Can’t be a 4 cylinder or turbo engine.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought it was well known that the added electronics and engine complexity has hurt reliability across the board. Thin oil, tight tolerances, smaller engines running hot. Maybe I’m just imagining things, and the Tundra engines have always grenaded and Chevy V8s have always had catastrophic lifter failures.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Just rolled over $50k in negative equity to upgrade from a 2021 F150 to a 2026 F150, which I'll pay over 96 months at 18% interest. But don't worry, I'll refinance!
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:50 am to mattz1122
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