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re: Are car generations of the pre-Covid era going to become highly valued in time?

Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:52 am to
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
14064 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:52 am to
Are they killing the obnoxious "Start-Stop System"? I hope so
Posted by FAT SEXY
California
Member since Jun 2020
2138 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:56 am to
I daily a 98 Camry
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143825 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:57 am to
Just to piss you off, I agree with every word of your manifesto. (Even though I didn’t read any of it).

Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84732 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:00 pm to
You troll, but I actually know a girl who did a similar deal and thought she had gotten a great deal. Her new car gets 1mpg better and her monthly note barely went up.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58211 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:00 pm to
In my Lexus RX350 FB group, the consensus is to get a 2017 RX350 as those were the best ever made.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84732 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:02 pm to
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Are they killing the obnoxious "Start-Stop System"? I hope so


They won’t ever just kill it, but as long as they give us the button to turn it off then I can live with it. I’m always amazed when I encounter people who don’t disable that shite. Light turns green and a dozen cars start up.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84732 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:05 pm to
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In my Lexus RX350 FB group, the consensus is to get a 2017 RX350 as those were the best ever made.


In the Toyota tundra Reddit sub, chock full of Tundra fanboys, there are countless posts about failed new engines and how the new model just sucks in reliability compared to the old models. These are people biased towards Toyota. It’s hard to believe a statistic that says the newest cars are the most reliable ever, unless those statistics are including cars from the 2010s.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134929 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:09 pm to
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99th percentile PSAT/ACT score says otherwise
And 93.4872% of all statistics on message boards are lies...

Your "Look at me, dammit!!" threads are always good for a laugh.

In the immortal words of Freddy Mercury, "Carry on, carry on...!"
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39645 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:13 pm to
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J.D. Power


Sends you a crisp one dollar bill and expects you to spend 30 minutes to an hour filling out a six-page survey...

The last 7-8 cars and trucks I've purchased have had basically zero issues, but I'm not wasting my time on populating their database.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39645 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:17 pm to
I hope not.

Partly b/c of that initiative, more Americans have negative equity in their vehicles than ever before.
( source: today's WSJ)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477076 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:17 pm to
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It’s hard to believe a statistic that says the newest cars are the most reliable ever, unless those statistics are including cars from the 2010s.


It's a matter of population sample. Yeah if you include cars primarily from the previous era (which exist in larger number than more recent models) the "reliability" metrics for the entire time period will free ride off their reliability. As the new generation becomes a larger portion of that sample population (and more reliable older cars leave the sample), I imagine that's going to lead to dramatic shifts in the reliability rankings.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
7269 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:22 pm to
I’m still fighting with the wife she wants me to dump the 03 6speed Cummins. Anything plastic, rubber, leather or cloth is rotting around the engine and transmission.


But simply it’s bullet proof. I will never buy anything for myself newer then a 07ish I just don’t need it or want it.

Contemplating a fummins swap into a 06-10 ford. They have what I think is a shite diesel and transmission but man the interior and for the most part electrical has held up. So I’m seriously looking at cost for a engine transmission swap gunna have to do it in direct defiance of the wife though… but it would be better then the rotten plastic dash, doors and continued rot of electrical bugs that I deal with every couple months
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39645 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:23 pm to
Many of JD Power's "reliability issues" are from a lot of people not knowing how to use some of the UI features found on today's cars.

Give someone 60+ a new cellphone and let me know how it goes.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17860 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:25 pm to
Unfortunately I think you’re correct.
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2503 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:43 pm to
My go-to vehicle is a 2005 Ram 250 Diesel pickup with minor rust starting to show up. We have a broad choice of 9 registered vehicles to drive ranging from 1917 to 2012 and I don't plan on buying newer ever.
Two years ago, on our 60th anniversary, the wife and I took the truck on a road trip through several states and a lot of the northern Rocky Mountains up to Canada. We started at 253,xxx miles and put on an additional 4,4xx miles over the next two weeks. Found one batch of poor fuel but no other problems. Finally had to do the first major repair when the transmission acted up last month. Paid more for the repairs than the vehicle was worth on the market but, to me, it was a bargain to keep "old reliable" on the road.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35949 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:45 pm to
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Naturally-aspirated V6 that gets over 300 mph


I call bullshite.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477076 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:53 pm to
You're right. Typo that has been fixed.
Posted by 87PurpleandGold
Arkansas
Member since Sep 2016
885 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:54 pm to
Still driving my V8 2006 Tundra. Great truck. Even the guys at the Toyota shop are telling me to hang on to it. Haven't had anything besides maintenance, ie oil changes, Timing belt, etc.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59204 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 12:57 pm to
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The Government Program That Killed The Automotive Industry

cash for clunkers cost a billion dollars but only got rid of like 12000 cars, mostly cars that weren’t that old at the time


The Mexicans took all the good used cars to Mexico
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
10744 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 2:49 pm to
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The V-6 in Buick sedans were awesome and reliable. These 4 cylinders with turbos are not the answer, but will consumers become savvy enough to demand such in numbers>


I think you'll find 3 cylinders in the Buick now. Ugh.
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