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Are car generations of the pre-Covid era going to become highly valued in time?

Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:17 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:17 am
Since we're dealing with generations, there may be some overlap (For example, the 5th gen 4Runner went 2010–2024, so it counts even though its generation went past the Covid era).

It just seems that effectively every car manufacturer is failing at producing a reliable vehicle these days. Even companies that had gotten much better and were towards the top (Mazda, Hyundai) have regressed. The stalwarts (Toyota, Honda) are in major decline. There doesn't seem to be any American manufacturer who doesn't make terrible vehicles these days.

This isn't really a function of Covid as much as the EPA regulations leading to what seems to be no reliable engines at all. Also, the engines rely less on natural aspiration and combine turbos with fewer cylinders to maintain power. This adds to the complexity and has just been a disaster for reliability. Even Toyota is having major difficulties creating reliable ICE engines in this regulatory environment.

The tech is also a major issue. The pre-2020 era had a combination of useful tech, some innovations (that are now more standard), and tactile control. Since that era, tech and screens have gone through a cycle or two (there is a move back to more tactile and smaller screens on some vehicles, but you also have monstrosities like the Escalade and GV80). Again, more complexity the manufacturers can't dial in correctly and that can't be replaced cheaply. Also, this makes normal repairs elsewhere insanely intrusive and expensive.

So I'm speculating that this era just before things got insane will have a special niche and may end up becoming incredibly valuable. These cars have enough tech to make everyone happy, reliable engines/drivetrains, and the ability to repair them without having to tear the car apart. A, say, 2019 4Runner, MDX, or Lexus 460 will be worth its weight in gold in a few year, with the ability to go 250k+ miles.

The alternative is absurdly expensive vehicles that aren't reliable, will break down within 10 years and will become too expensive to repair, and who will spend 1/3 of that life in the shop on warranty/recalls. I just can't see how the market will keep supporting this model, but I've been saying the same thing with housing for 10+ years and that market just keeps following similar trends of insanity.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:19 am to
2023 4Runner here!
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:19 am to
The only new car I will ever buy again is a Tesla. Gonna need fully autonomous self driving when I get old.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84725 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:21 am to
For people who just want reliable transportation cars from about 2010-2018 are the sweet spot. Plenty modern features but they’re not yet rolling computers.

Posted by Onyx Aggie
Foothills of the Smokies
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:22 am to
Not only is the reliability an issue, more and more items are becoming subscription based and manufacturers have placed more ways to spy on you in the vehicles and have demonstrated they have no qualms sharing the info with both insurance and law enforcement without your consent.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:23 am to
I love my 2015 Genesis, especially once I hacked in Android Auto

There are some things I need to fix, but it's still going strong, is fast, rides well, handles well, and is comfortable. Naturally-aspirated V6 that gets over 300 hp on a somewhat reliable/proven platform. Lots of of parts for repairs.

I often ask myself what other tech I'd even want, after my backup camera and Android Auto.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 12:53 pm
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:23 am to

The Government Program That Killed The Automotive Industry


The title doesnt really fit the point. But Its the government program that man everyone reliable on the car industry and dealer services.

The old, easy to work on engines are now all gone....when a car was traded in for the clunkers program.... the dealer seized the engine permanently.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 8:29 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:24 am to
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Not only is the reliability an issue, more and more items are becoming subscription based and manufacturers have placed more ways to spy on you in the vehicles and have demonstrated they have no qualms sharing the info with both insurance and law enforcement without your consent.


I've been meaning to make this thread for a few months, but the Ford thread earlier on THIS specific issue is what made me remember to finally post the thread idea.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:27 am to
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I often ask myself what other tech I'd even want, after my backup camera and Android Auto.



You would be a green texter.

Jk

I think seat heaters, backup camera, apple carplay, satellite radio, and adaptive cruise control are the ones I want and that's been in almost everything for 10-15 years, minus carplay. Like you, I've got a naturally aspirated engine, although a V8. It's somewhat bomb proof.

My new, used car is a 2022 and has knobs for everything, which I freaking love, and all of the above. The one thing I miss from my older ride, which was a 2016 is remote start.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:27 am to
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The Government Program That Killed The Automotive Industry


The impacts of that aren't really seen anymore. We have a huge glut of excess used cars that have been repossessed that are in storage as to not crater the market. Also, this ignores the "new" cars that never sold:



What's killing the Automotive industry now is a combination of fuel efficiency regulations and the race to jam as much tech in cars as possible.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:27 am to
quote:

This isn't really a function of Covid as much as the EPA regulations leading to what seems to be no reliable engines at all. Also, the engines rely less on natural aspiration and combine turbos with fewer cylinders to maintain power. This adds to the complexity and has just been a disaster for reliability. Even Toyota is having major difficulties creating reliable ICE engines in this regulatory environment.


The V-6 in Buick sedans were awesome and reliable. These 4 cylinders with turbos are not the answer, but will consumers become savvy enough to demand such in numbers>
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:28 am to
I rented a car a few months ago for a day with wireless AA. I don't mind plugging my phone in but wireless would be nice I guess.

I'm not a fan of ACC
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:30 am to
quote:

The impacts of that aren't really seen anymore. We have a huge glut of excess used cars that have been repossessed that are in storage as to not crater the market. Also, this ignores the "new" cars that never sold:

read my ETA. It was about the removal of engines where the public could easily repair.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:33 am to
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I rented a car a few months ago for a day with wireless AA. I don't mind plugging my phone in but wireless would be nice I guess.

I'm not a fan of ACC


They have wireless adapters. I have one for CarPlay and it works great.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11018 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:34 am to
"driving when you get old" Far to much instrumentation messaging garbage on my 2023 Chrysler minivan. Its distracting and dangerous in my twilight years as it blasts messages out that have no function at highway speeds. .The monthly update of the vehicle computer by blue tooth y-fi, again signals that its reliability must be updated or it will crash, maybe.

My current favorite vehicle is a 2012 GMC canyon 4x4 with 5 cylinder engine, Engine control module is simple, limited to fuel injection stuff and gets 24 mpg. seat adjustment are manual, dash board controls are analogue. I know where every thing is and do not get digital messages to take it to a dealer for repair.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:34 am to
Those engines on the old used cars couldn't be used in cars today, though.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:36 am to
sure they could.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19166 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:36 am to
There is also the killswitch legislation coming into effect this year that literally requires all US sold cars to have preinstalled ransomware that bricks your car if the AI thinks you are drunk. Definitely won't have any errors there and definitely can't be used for any other nefarious purposes.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84725 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:36 am to
Cooled seats and better cameras are the only thing I’m missing from my 2016. I don’t want a power tailgate or heated steering wheel or a damn sunroof. And really don’t want stop/start or AFM.

$80k for a new pickup is a lot. $80k for a new pickup that’s not likely to last 150k miles is crazy.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51884 posts
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:37 am to
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The only new car I will ever buy again is a Tesla. Gonna need fully autonomous self driving when I get old.
Is your Tesla robot going to carry you out and tuck you in to your car, give you a handjob and wave bye-bye as it sends you on your way?
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