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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:26 pm to gumpinmizzou
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:26 pm to gumpinmizzou
Did the good guys win yet?
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:31 pm to MoarKilometers
Alabama also allows the judge to overrule the jury's sentence and order the death penalty when the jury recommends life. Judges are elected here, so you can imagine how that works out.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:34 pm to troyt37
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I think that if I lived in a state that didn’t enforce the death penalty, I would enforce it myself if someone murdered one of my family members.
I remember when I believed every word my government said too.
Do you believe everything you hear?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:35 pm to mouton
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His relative who is currently on death row as well killed three of the cops. Woods did not fire a shot and was not found with a weapon. His relative has confessed and said Woods was not involved
Crazy how all this comes out at the 12th hour after 16 years of waiting for execution.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You may call me skeptical, but I don't put a lot of faith in a very imperfect govt that gets to choose who to they want to kill.
Not as much skeptical as just a bleeding heart. Pretty easy to spot it with the language you use. Exactly how often do you think the government chose to kill someone who wasn’t involved in a murder?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:37 pm to HarryBalzack
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The right to due process is fundamental to the concept of liberty
frick that. Nothing in the Constitution states we need to drag out executions decades or it's not "due process".
What more due process is needed?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:44 pm to NYNolaguy1
The idea that we have a great justice system is a farce. Where I live, there are a handful of public defenders and their caseloads are ridiculous. There are twice as many solicitors, who each have their own assistant. They have the entire law enforcement apparatus at their disposal, while the public defenders have one investigator. Any request for experts from indigent defendants have to be approved by a judge, most of whom are ex-solicitors. I supported the death penalty up until the summer I clerked for the public defenders. It took me 2 weeks or so to become a vehement opponent of it. Besides all that, if the government claims the power and authority to kill its citizens, there is no other power in which it cannot claim. If it can take your life, it can do anything and everything.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:47 pm to East Coast Band
quote:Didn't say that. In fact, one could make a strong argument that the amount of delay common today violates due process.
Nothing in the Constitution states we need to drag out executions decades or it's not "due process".
quote:Post-Gregg capital convictions are Constitutionally required to have an appeal to the state supreme court. Woods did not have access to counsel through that process initially. All the state has to do to execute him in a manner compliant with the law is to provide him competent counsel and allow for a thorough appeal. Doesn't seem like an extraordinary ask, especially when you're talking about ending someone's life. But the attorney general, governor, and director the DOC would rather make political capital by executing him than complying.
What more due process is needed?
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:04 pm to HarryBalzack
I will never understand the people who scream about government not being good for anything, not being able to do anything right, and politicians being terrible. Then those same people can’t fathom that the same government could make a mistake and convict/sentence an innocent person.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I remember when I believed every word my government said too.
Do you believe everything you hear?
Yes. Every single word. You got me.
I think that an incredibly small number of murders are prosecuted as capital crimes to begin with. Far fewer than actually meet the criteria. I think of that incredibly small number, another incredibly small number result in conviction and a death sentence. I think of that incredibly small number of an incredibly small number, an incredibly small number actually make it through the appeals process intact.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:16 pm to HarryBalzack
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But the attorney general, governor, and director the DOC would rather make political capital by executing him than complying.
It goes beyond this and I don't think a lot of people understand. Prosecutors, law enforcement and judges are often utterly incapable of admitting a mistake was made. They value the finality of a conviction over its accuracy.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:22 pm to SCLibertarian
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It goes beyond this and I don't think a lot of people understand. Prosecutors, law enforcement and judges are often utterly incapable of admitting a mistake was made. They value the finality of a conviction over its accuracy.
If that were true, wouldn’t many more cases be thrown out on technicalities, prosecutorial misconduct, or simple mistakes and misinterpretations of the evidence? The appeals process doesn’t include judges that are invested in the conviction of a particular defendant. Appeals courts overturn the findings of inferior courts every day. That’s what they do.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:23 pm to troyt37
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I think of that incredibly small number of an incredibly small number, an incredibly small number actually make it through the appeals process intact.
So ultimately you think that outweighs the number of deads innocents as collateral damage?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:26 pm to troyt37
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wouldn’t many more cases be thrown out on technicalities, prosecutorial misconduct, or simple mistakes
You have far more faith in government than I do.
I see governments that can't balance a checkbook or clean streets or send out virus test kits without a fubar moment and you see near perfection.
I am ok with agreeing to disagree here.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
An easy argument against those saying only the trigger man should get death:
Let's say John Doe hires a hitman to kill his wife and the hitman brutally kills her with a knife and she suffers. Just because John Doe wasn't the knife man, does this mean he should be immune to the same penalty as the knifer? Simple question.
Let's say John Doe hires a hitman to kill his wife and the hitman brutally kills her with a knife and she suffers. Just because John Doe wasn't the knife man, does this mean he should be immune to the same penalty as the knifer? Simple question.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
Regardless of all the back and forth one thing is true.
A warrant is being served on you at a crack house and 3 cops die and another is shot. In the State of Alabama you are getting the needle.
His execution is back on right now.
A warrant is being served on you at a crack house and 3 cops die and another is shot. In the State of Alabama you are getting the needle.
His execution is back on right now.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:33 pm to troyt37
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If that were true, wouldn’t many more cases be thrown out on technicalities, prosecutorial misconduct, or simple mistakes and misinterpretations of the evidence? The appeals process doesn’t include judges that are invested in the conviction of a particular defendant. Appeals courts overturn the findings of inferior courts every day. That’s what they do.
The standard for reversal in most jurisdictions is a very high threshold. Even if mistakes were made, courts can and often do find them harmless, which is ultimately a subjective exercise. And getting a case tossed on appeal for prosecutorial misconduct is almost impossible. I know of one appellate case in SC history and it involved a prosecutor recording a client talking with his lawyer in a police station. That prosecutor ended up becoming the Deputy Solicitor in my county and sent thousands more people to prison and even a few more to death row. And no one batted an eye.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So ultimately you think that outweighs the number of deads innocents as collateral damage?
Ultimately I think that in a free society ran by humans, there are going to be mistakes, and miscarriage of justice. I think that we don’t live in a perfect world, and everyone acknowledges that fact. I think it is important enough to punish those who prey on their fellow man, that we can and should continue, even with the knowledge that those mistakes are possible.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You have far more faith in government than I do.
I see governments that can't balance a checkbook or clean streets or send out virus test kits without a fubar moment and you see near perfection.
I am ok with agreeing to disagree here.
I am as well. We won’t convince each other. I never said anything about near perfection. But I do say in any given case there are literally thousands of ways for a guilty person to walk, but very damn few for an innocent person to be put to death.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:38 pm to mouton
He shouldn’t be executed
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