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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:12 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:12 pm to East Coast Band
Nathaniel > bama fans
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:29 am to Walt OReilly
quote:You say this because we're still breathing through our mouths, and he is not?
Nathaniel > bama fans
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 5:30 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:34 am to Asharad
Is shooter going to be executed?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:43 am to Walt OReilly
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Nathaniel > bama fans
Let me guess, you thought people who made Katrina jokes were sorry pieces of shite.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:12 am to prplhze2000
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Is shooter going to be executed?
Yes, he is on death row. He opted to be executed via some new method. Not sure when his is scheduled.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:02 am to The Spleen
Judicial override in any capital murder case is a joke.
Wrong place at the wrong time but no way did Nathaniel Woods deserve to die.
Wrong place at the wrong time but no way did Nathaniel Woods deserve to die.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:25 am to Festus
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But I do not believe that at the beginning of this thread, the actual facts were being discussed
They weren't.
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A misleading premise was offered, and people were just firing off responses without knowing the actual facts as testified in open court.
I was guilty of this before this thread while following the case. As we've seen countless times over the past few years, the media bias, omitting facts, and flat out false reporting is something that has gone way off the rails in this country.
I was initially on the side of Woods and his defense until after a heated debate with a very good friend of mine did my own research and found out about the actual planning and threats made before the incident took place and had to go back and apologize to my friend because I was completely misinformed.
I'm very much in favor of putting clear cut cases of violent criminals to death, but I'm know that innocent people have been put to death and that's tragic. I dont, however, think this is one of those cases.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:32 am to Dizz
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Then those same people can’t fathom that the same government could make a mistake and convict/sentence an innocent person.
When has the government ever convicted anyone? A jury of their peers convicted them.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:33 am to AHM21
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Judicial override in any capital murder case is a joke.
Wrong place at the wrong time but no way did Nathaniel Woods deserve to die.
Why not? He was part and parcel, quite possibly the single biggest factor in the murder of 3 police officers. We’ve been told that the murder of a police officer while on duty is a capital crime.
I don’t know if you’re another one, but most of those against his execution here are simply against the death penalty, period. It seems they think their opposition to it automatically puts holes in any particular case, when there actually are none.
He was unanimously found guilty of a capital crime, by a jury of his peers. They also recommended the death penalty by a vote of 10-2. He went through the appeals process. What more do you want?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:42 am to troyt37
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They also recommended the death penalty by a vote of 10-2.
Alabama is one of the last states that has judicial override in death penalty cases. Other states have either stopped it, or the courts have. So the punishment was a bit problematic from the start.
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He went through the appeals process.
An appeals process that was also problematic and had some issues.
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most of those against his execution here are simply against the death penalty
My thoughts on the death penalty are the same as they are for abortion. If it's going to be legal, it should safe and rare, and reserved for extreme cases. I don't think this case met the extreme threshold because there is at least some ambiguity in his involvement. It did for the trigger man, and I have no problem with his death sentence.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:45 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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The fourth officer has said that he feels that Woods was behind the ambush of the officers
Thats not reason to execute. Feelings.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:48 am to Toroballistic
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When has the government ever convicted anyone?
I can't tell if you are obtuse or naïve.
Is it your impression that prosecutors don't prosecute and convict people?
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:49 am to Toroballistic
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When has the government ever convicted anyone? A jury of their peers convicted them.
The government writes the laws that govern capital murder and sentencing. The government disproportionately funds the offices that prosecute Defendants and those that defend them. In my state, the government appoints the judges who hear these cases and rule on evidentiary issues. Prosecutors and law enforcement officers are themselves agents of the government. To suggest the government plays no role in the death penalty is to ignore reality.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:52 am to The Spleen
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I don't think this case met the extreme threshold because there is at least some ambiguity in his involvement. It did for the trigger man, and I have no problem with his death sentence.
But you weren’t a juror. Nor were you any subsequent judge, or appeals panel that reviewed the facts of the case. You may disagree with the outcome, but to say he didn’t deserve to die for his crimes is just like, your opinion, man. There are a whole lot of folks who know much more about the case than you or I ever will, who disagree completely.
If aspects of his crime didn’t meet the criteria for the death penalty, the conviction would have been overturned, or a new trial granted. If the Supreme Court issued a stay, some person or body within the Supreme Court reviewed the evidence as well.
Again, what more do you want?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:56 am to mouton
Going to wager a guess that this thread is filled with self-professed small government, freedom-loving conservatives supporting the state's execution of a person.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:57 am to troyt37
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But you weren’t a juror. Nor were you any subsequent judge, or appeals panel that reviewed the facts of the case. You may disagree with the outcome, but to say he didn’t deserve to die for his crimes is just like, your opinion, man.
Nobody in this thread was on the jury, and it's at 12 pages of opinions, so why is mine any less significant?
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There are a whole lot of folks who know much more about the case than you or I ever will, who disagree completely.
And there are a lot that agree with me.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats not reason to execute. Feelings.
But it’s a bit more than that, isn’t it? Would the shooter have been there if the convicted wasn’t slinging drugs out of this house? If the shooter would have been there, would he have had a weapon to defend nothing but a crash house? If he would have had a weapon, would he have used that weapon if the money man of the operation wasn’t encouraging it? If he would have used the weapon, the police wouldn’t have even been there if not for the convicted, because it was him they were after.
Evidence, not feelings.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:03 am to troyt37
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I don’t know if you’re another one, but most of those against his execution here are simply against the death penalty, period. I
If you're going to convict, it must be unanimous. If you're going to kill, it should be unanimous. I'm not opposed to the death penalty.
I've been to a few capital trials, both times the defendant was convicted. One of those times the jury recommended 12-0 life without parole and the judge overrode and chose death. He's an elected official with a reason to override. It's a political process that at times renders the jury's recommendation worthless.
There's a reason Alabama is the only state that still practices it.
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