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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:But a jury of your peers determines guilty or not guilty
I always find it fascinating when small government conservatives suddenly have boundless faith in the government they hold such contempt for.
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 6:56 pm to spslayto
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But a jury of your peers determines guilty or not guilty
Next you will be telling me that they hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in every case, because no prosecutor has ever had any political dreams built on manufactured evidence for a capital case.
Regardless, it is infinitely easier to free prisoners who are alive vs those who are underground.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I always find it fascinating when small government conservatives suddenly have boundless faith in the government they hold such contempt for.
You are discounting the jury, possibly several juries, and judges, and the fact that the law is overwhelmingly weighted toward the accused, but okay.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It's the only state I know of where it is a capital offense, however.
According to the light case law research I did, Arizona also appears to be good with it.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:The system is not perfect but it's better than any other system in the world. And if someone manufactures evidence they should be thrown under the jail.
Next you will be telling me that they hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in every case, because no prosecutor has ever had any political dreams built on manufactured evidence for a capital case.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:06 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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If he didn't pull the trigger and is still executed, we have failed as a country. Absolutely disgusting.
Although he physically didn't pull the trigger, he did pull the trigger both morally and legally. Those officers wouldn't have died without his planning and help. He earned his death and ticket straight to hell. Go cry about it more you sissy.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:07 pm to spslayto
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The system is not perfect
So if the system that executes people is not perfect, what is an acceptable ratio of the dead who are guilty vs the dead who are innocent? How many criminals is one innocent life worth?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:07 pm to spslayto
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US Supreme Court says no. No death penalty unless you kill someone. Struck down a Louisiana law that provided for the death penalty in certain aggravated rape cases including against children.
And the US Supreme Court has been utterly full of shite many times in the past, and will be again. The biggest problem with the death penalty is that it isn’t used enough.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:08 pm to gumpinmizzou
quote:Agreed. The state can't pave roads correctly, can't run a school where the teachers don't diddle the kids, etc. Plus, who here wouldn't be scared shitless to have your life in the hands of 12 jurors who made it past voir dire: able to miss work, don't know lawyers/judges/prosecutors/cops, no education related to the subject matter, etc.?
I just don't think the state should have the power to execute citizens.
Plus, in this case, the facts of the crime aside, the guy's attorney quit on the case during the direct appeal without notifying the client and the court system failed to notify Woods that his court-appointed attorney had dropped the case. Then, the Alabama DOC fast-tracked his execution because he refused to pick his preferred method of execution? That's just shitty. The right to due process is fundamental to the concept of liberty and it's apparent that the state of Alabama didn't afford this man due process.
All of these are reasons I oppose the death penalty, in addition to religious grounds.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:08 pm to jchamil
We have felony murder, but he was convicted of capital murder.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:This isn't the case to make this argument. Save it for another one.
So if the system that executes people is not perfect, what is an acceptable ratio of the dead who are guilty vs the dead who are innocent? How many criminals is one innocent life worth
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:11 pm to troyt37
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You are discounting the jury, possibly several juries, and judges, and the fact that the law is overwhelmingly weighted toward the accused, but okay.
You may call me skeptical, but I don't put a lot of faith in a very imperfect govt that gets to choose who to they want to kill.
Juries also judge only on what they hear. I am sure you think there's never been a Brady violation, ever.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:13 pm to troyt37
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The biggest problem with the death penalty is that it isn’t used enough.
For some big government is not big enough I suppose.
Call me a boomer but I remember when the US called the Soviets all sorts of names for tactics like this.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:So sounds like you are against the death penalty. I understand that.
You may call me skeptical, but I don't put a lot of faith in a very imperfect govt that gets to choose who to they want to kill
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:15 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It's the only state I know of where it is a capital offense, however.
Also should be pointed out Alabama is the only state that allows death sentences to be handed out without a unanimous jury vote.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:17 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So if the system that executes people is not perfect, what is an acceptable ratio of the dead who are guilty vs the dead who are innocent? How many criminals is one innocent life worth?
There is no perfection in this world. All we can do is the very best we can do. Even with crooked police and overzealous prosecutors, we have an appeals process that involves judges and courts whose only interest in the case is upholding the law.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:17 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:Maybe on the penalty. But not the conviction right? That has to be 12-0
Also should be pointed out Alabama is the only state that allows death sentences to be handed out without a unanimous jury vote.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:19 pm to spslayto
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Maybe on the penalty. But not the conviction right? That has to be 12-0
Yes. I definitely could've worded my statement better.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:22 pm to troyt37
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There is no perfection in this world. All we can do is the very best we can do. Even with crooked police and overzealous prosecutors, we have an appeals process that involves judges and courts whose only interest in the case is upholding the law.
Sounds like a good case for giving a punishment that is somewhat reversible- like life in prison.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:23 pm to NYNolaguy1
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For some big government is not big enough I suppose.
This is the favorite tactic for many of you. I think it’s an exchange. I think that if I lived in a state that didn’t enforce the death penalty, I would enforce it myself if someone murdered one of my family members.
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