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re: Another blow to the AirBNB model
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:06 am to stout
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:06 am to stout
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How far are you from those new apartments they are building downtown?
I'm nowhere near that. We have some apartments around us that have been here since I was born and were ROUGH growing up, pre-gentrification. Ever so often they get bad again and then they have to start having cops live there and it dies down. Nothing close to 5th Ave or anything, but just fights/parties etc.
The ones you are talking about are right across from those expensive Nola-style homes and I imagine the values are going to tank.
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:07 am to Limitlesstigers
When you throw out socialism in a discussion about zoning, you make the word socialism meaningless. Most zoning, and residential zoning, exists to protect asset holding members of the public - and not the public at large.
If residential zoning is socialism to you - are building codes socialism? Noise ordinances? You can advocate against any form of regulation, but not all regulation is socialism.
I don’t know what you mean by government expropriation, but if you mean eminent domain and civil asset forfeiture - no I do not support either.
If residential zoning is socialism to you - are building codes socialism? Noise ordinances? You can advocate against any form of regulation, but not all regulation is socialism.
I don’t know what you mean by government expropriation, but if you mean eminent domain and civil asset forfeiture - no I do not support either.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:07 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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We saw the same type of fight with Uber. Cities tried to restrict their growth to protect taxi companies from competition and now they are trying to protect the hotel industry the same way.
This isn't really the same. This is local governments protecting local residential areas, which is a much stronger and more stabilized thing.
The "government encroachment' argument is still the same but the underlying justification/reasoning is not anywhere close.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:09 am to TheOcean
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I find it funny that conservatives/supporters of capitalism would be a huge fan of zoning. A lot of zoning is completely arbitrary and driven by homeowners who love to complain and/or government officials who are useless.
One major issue in this specific area is that people bought properties with the expectations of that zoning, sometimes decades before. You can argue the conceptual philosophy behind zoning but it's not nearly as applicable to this situation as the reliance of citizens on the existing zoning.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:11 am to yellowfin
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If I didn’t want something next to me I’d buy the property myself. I believe if you own land you should be able to do what you want with it
This is one of the dumber things I’ve read today.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:12 am to JasonDBlaha
Not scams. It’s literally small business.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:12 am to stout
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Laugh all you want. They had already hit one car with a baseball. Shitty parents were just letting them do it. The shitty parents were the last straw before the HOA/condos association banned STRs.
The world would be a better place if more kids were outside throwing baseballs instead of sitting inside on TikTok.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:17 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:holy strawman
The world would be a better place if more kids were outside throwing baseballs instead of sitting inside on TikTok.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:21 am to SuperSaint
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holy strawman
Plus the point isn't the kids throwing baseballs. It's that they did it around people's vehicles which is inconsiderate, to say the least. Not sure why that is a hard concept for the OT to grasp.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:24 am to Oates Mustache
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Wut? An opinion isn't wrong or right, it's my opinion. What the hell are you talking shite about? I haven't debated the legality of it at all.
You are bitching about an Airbnb that is long term residence. It makes 0 sense in this argument. I've had shitty neighbors that owned next to me, that argument has no place here. Its about short term rentals.
Again, in actual housing neighborhoods I have no issue restricting STRs. Restricting STRs in big cities in normal mixed use areas is absolutely ridiculous.
Here's an example of the absurdity of it in Paris. Paris allows no more than 90 days of STRs a year. We rented a flat in Paris on the 3rd floor in the Latin District. Below us was a gyro place, convenience store, restaurant, etc. Everything is great until 4am every day. This gyro place must open early as hell to start cooking. The entire Apt smells like gyros daily. Then saturday morning, it must be the only place around open at 4am and it got absolutely slammed. Probably 40-50 people on the street raising hell from 4-6am. Everything else is closed and quiet. But you know what, that's life in the city.
Which is my point, that's fricking life in the city in mixed use areas. Our STR we stayed in had a hell of a smaller impact on the local area than the damn gyro place that was just a normal business.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:25 am to TheOcean
quote:what is funny about that? Are you one of those people who think conservative means libertarian?
find it funny that conservatives/supporters of capitalism would be a huge fan of zoning.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:26 am to YOURADHERE
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I've loosely kept up with the Lafayette restrictions push but I believe the latest proposal is they want you to ask your neighbors and adjacent neighbors if it's ok for you to use your property for AirBnb. I saw where one guy said that would require him getting permission from 13 different households to use his property, that was build/always has been an Airbnb, to be able to continue using it as such. And if just one person says no, he's shut down.
My understanding is that it's two neighbors in each direction. A buddy of mine lives in a very nice house in the Saints streets, his neighbor started an airbnb and only charged like $100/night. All sorts of people were staying there. It's also against the zoning restrictions of residentially zoned neighborhoods in Lafayette, but you have to "catch" it before the short term rental has been operating for 24 months.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:26 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Shut up
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:27 am to stout
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Plus the point isn't the kids throwing baseballs. It's that they did it around people's vehicles which is inconsiderate, to say the least. Not sure why that is a hard concept for the OT to grasp.
I used to play street hockey as a kid growing up. We were long term residence. How is kids playing baseball on the street a STR issue? Thats an absurd argument.
The argument against STRs should be strictly those that are unique to STRs and not long term residence. Such as people coming and going, increasing the cost of housing, and the inability for the area to feel like a residence. Even quiet nice areas can have jackasses living there. You know what's worse than a bad STR neighbor? A crappy owner that lives next door.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
I'd argue most people buy a property and have no God damn idea what the zoning actually is. Americans as a whole are not very intelligent. I think zoning should exist, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of many on here advocating for using zoning as a weapon against something that inconveniences them. And then they pretend to be pro conservative/capitalism/small business.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:28 am to baldona
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How is kids playing baseball on the street a STR issue?
A condo parking lot full of cars is not playing in the streets. Jesus...
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:28 am to Toss_Dive
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If I didn’t want something next to me I’d buy the property myself. I believe if you own land you should be able to do what you want with it
This is one of the dumber things I’ve read today.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:29 am to stout
The model is dying as it is. This will just speed up the date of death.
It was never supposed to be about full time daily rentals in residential neighborhoods owned by large property owners. It was supposed to be people who wanted to occasionally rent out a room or rent out their house for an occasional weekend when they were out of town.
If owners want to treat these as a full time commercial for profit enterprise, then they should be held to all the same rules and regulations as hotel owners, because it's basically a decentralized hotel.
And you don't find hotels in the middle of residential neighborhoods.
It was never supposed to be about full time daily rentals in residential neighborhoods owned by large property owners. It was supposed to be people who wanted to occasionally rent out a room or rent out their house for an occasional weekend when they were out of town.
If owners want to treat these as a full time commercial for profit enterprise, then they should be held to all the same rules and regulations as hotel owners, because it's basically a decentralized hotel.
And you don't find hotels in the middle of residential neighborhoods.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:31 am to sidewalkside
Sometimes it’s necessary. This is one of those times.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:32 am to TheOcean
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I'd argue most people buy a property and have no God damn idea what the zoning actually is.
Explicitly? maybe.
Implicitly? You're wrong.
They can sense when they're in a "residential" area v. a "commercial" area and one that has a mix of both (like with lawyers offices in old houses close to regular housing.
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