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re: The NFL's official explanation for Goff's fumble
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:19 pm to LooseCannon22282
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:19 pm to LooseCannon22282
Published 12 years ago on September 21, 2014
Rule:
There are 2 separate discussions that are being conflated:
1. Was this a fumble or was the arm coming forward?
2. If it was a pass, was it a backwards pass?
If it's a pass (which I disagree with, but that's the ruling on the field), it can't be considered a backwards pass and won't be intentional grounding, due to the contact.
If it's not a pass, none of that matters b/c it's a fumble.
Those are the 2 options. I think it was a fumble and #1 is where the NFL made the mistake.
Rule:
quote:
If, after intentional forward movement of his hand, contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward, it is a forward pass, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else.
quote:
In Geno Smith’s case, the only reason the ball went backward was due to the defensive contact. Alex Smith was moving his arm slightly, but in an obvious forward passing motion when viewed on replay. Because the actions of the quarterbacks made the ball a forward pass, both plays were ruled incomplete passes in replay. With the repeal of the Tuck Rule in 2013, the end of a forward motion ends the intention to pass, and not tucking the ball into the body. The next issue for these plays involves intentional grounding, as it was argued that these passes were nowhere near an intended receiver. However, the rules allow the word intentional to have meaning — the actions of both Smiths were intended to be passes to an eligible receiver, and the intentional grounding rules give similar deference to the quarterback as Rule 8-1-1a does to make it incomplete. In this case, if there is no eligible target in the path of the intended pass, the referee can still call intentional grounding. Such a call is rarely made, though, because it is difficult to actually determine what would have happened without the defensive contact.
There are 2 separate discussions that are being conflated:
1. Was this a fumble or was the arm coming forward?
2. If it was a pass, was it a backwards pass?
If it's a pass (which I disagree with, but that's the ruling on the field), it can't be considered a backwards pass and won't be intentional grounding, due to the contact.
If it's not a pass, none of that matters b/c it's a fumble.
Those are the 2 options. I think it was a fumble and #1 is where the NFL made the mistake.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Goff got hit before he threw it. His arm was not going forward.
That's the way I saw it.
thank you for that
The ruling on the field was correct but then the league office made some phantom narrative in real time in which we have no choice but to live with.
That's the way I saw it.
thank you for that
The ruling on the field was correct but then the league office made some phantom narrative in real time in which we have no choice but to live with.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
1. Was this a fumble or was the arm coming forward? 2. If it was a pass, was it a backwards pass?
If you watch the replay, Goff looks like he was originally intending to go forward, but switched to a sort of ‘throw it away’ motion clearly more toward the sideline, just before and proceeding into getting hit.
I don’t get why that’s not a relevant distinction here.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:33 pm to Kinderman
I honestly dont need to read their statement because it doesnt matter. This has been going on for quite a while and off the top of my head last year it was the phantom Grnaderson roughing the passer vs Dart and the overturned Chris Olave catch vs Arizona.
I get it... during the course of a game there will always be bad calls. The typical bad calls I get. They are just blatantly making shite us in regards to us
I get it... during the course of a game there will always be bad calls. The typical bad calls I get. They are just blatantly making shite us in regards to us
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:38 am to Kinderman
Just remember anything that is crazy will usually happen to the Saints. Bad calls, no calls whatever it is it usually happens to screw the Saints over.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:15 am to Kinderman
Dead horse, nobody cares, I get all that. But this kind of crap is what made me lose my love of watching the Saints play on Sundays.....
They don't even try to hide it.
They don't even try to hide it.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:24 am to Kinderman
So if a quarter back brings the ball up and the balls falls out of his hand why is that not an incomplete pass because he began the trowing motion?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:31 am to Kinderman
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:32 am to rt3
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:13 am to Kinderman
So on a pump fake if you fumble it's actually an incomplete because you started raising your arm which has never been a thing ever.
frick the NFL.
frick the NFL.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:14 am to Barbellthor
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Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:16 am to Proximo
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If tweet fails to load, click here. feels like the entire internet is on our side on this one
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:16 am to Kinderman
Both in Michigan. Hmmn, Looks like the same replay guy from Ann Arbor. Michigan and Detroit both steal wins via instant replay bullshite. Coincidence?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Backwards pass = lateral = fumble. Basic rules of football.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:52 am to paulb52
quote:
Backwards pass = lateral = fumble. Basic rules of football.
quote:
If, after intentional forward movement of his hand, contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward, it is a forward pass, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else.
Once the ruling is that it was a pass, the "it went backwards" is irrelevant due to the contact.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:59 am to JoeyBiscuits
In the history of the NFL, a play in which the Qb has been hit as he started his windup and loss the ball has never been called an incomplete forward pass.
So smart QBs going forward should just throw the ball in the dirt in any direction as they're being sacked. Incomplete forward pass.
So smart QBs going forward should just throw the ball in the dirt in any direction as they're being sacked. Incomplete forward pass.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:14 pm to Tigershine
Official explanations are insulting the intelligence of NFL fans everywhere.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:55 pm to paulb52
Yep
Either they tell you it was the right call or they tell you it was the wrong call. Either way tough shite for you.
Id almost rather them say nothing
Either they tell you it was the right call or they tell you it was the wrong call. Either way tough shite for you.
Id almost rather them say nothing
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:59 pm to paulb52
Posted on 9/14/26 at 2:11 pm to Proximo
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feels like the entire internet is on our side on this one
Yeah... a rare W for Saints having a bit of sympathy
Unfortunately it means nothing in the grand scheme of things
Also... if this ruling ends up being the difference between a division title or a playoff spot and missing the playoffs altogether... I'm going to be a sad whodat

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