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Sean Payton says Broncos analytics 'on a different level here' compared to Saints
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:31 am
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To reference Tim Robinson’s stellar (and not safe for work) I Think You Should Leave sketch, “We’re all trying to find the guy who did this.” That’s what keeps coming to mind every time Sean Payton talks up his new Denver Broncos team over the New Orleans Saints squad he quit on a year ago.
Payton’s latest comments on the differences between the two organizations touched on the Broncos analytics department, which he said “Is on a different level here,” compared to what he was working with in New Orleans during his pre-draft press conference this week.
“I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on,” Payton continued. “It’s pretty impressive, and it’s new for me in a good way. I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead (in New Orleans) when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.”
What exactly that means remains to be seen. It could be as simple as the Broncos installing a fancy touchscreen big board like the Minnesota Vikings compared to the magnets and whiteboard used in New Orleans. Maybe Denver has just digitalized more of the process than the Saints to conserve paper and ink. Or they could have a high-tech database full of scouting reports, film clips, and advanced grading metrics. Who knows?
Either way, it isn’t the best look for Payton, who was responsible for many of the decisions the Saints made over the last 15 years. If he wanted to embrace the analytical side of the sport more strongly in New Orleans, all he would have had to do is ask. It’s too bad. Maybe a heavier emphasis on studying draft pick value would have swayed Payton from trading two first rounders for Marcus Davenport in 2018.
I hope this unsavory weasel fails on an epic scale.
To reference Tim Robinson’s stellar (and not safe for work) I Think You Should Leave sketch, “We’re all trying to find the guy who did this.” That’s what keeps coming to mind every time Sean Payton talks up his new Denver Broncos team over the New Orleans Saints squad he quit on a year ago.
Payton’s latest comments on the differences between the two organizations touched on the Broncos analytics department, which he said “Is on a different level here,” compared to what he was working with in New Orleans during his pre-draft press conference this week.
“I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on,” Payton continued. “It’s pretty impressive, and it’s new for me in a good way. I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead (in New Orleans) when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.”
What exactly that means remains to be seen. It could be as simple as the Broncos installing a fancy touchscreen big board like the Minnesota Vikings compared to the magnets and whiteboard used in New Orleans. Maybe Denver has just digitalized more of the process than the Saints to conserve paper and ink. Or they could have a high-tech database full of scouting reports, film clips, and advanced grading metrics. Who knows?
Either way, it isn’t the best look for Payton, who was responsible for many of the decisions the Saints made over the last 15 years. If he wanted to embrace the analytical side of the sport more strongly in New Orleans, all he would have had to do is ask. It’s too bad. Maybe a heavier emphasis on studying draft pick value would have swayed Payton from trading two first rounders for Marcus Davenport in 2018.
I hope this unsavory weasel fails on an epic scale.
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:33 am to hellsu
I mean if their analytics is so elite, why have they sucked?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:35 am to hellsu
so he has no excuse to not win a lot more there than he did here, right?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean if their analytics is so elite, why have they sucked?
Their analytics took:
2020: Jeudy > Lamb
2021: Surtain > Parsons (not that bad)
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:43 am to hellsu
Hope he fails
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:45 am to hellsu
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I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead (in New Orleans) when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.”
What exactly that means remains to be seen.
I'd love to hear how analytics are used in the draft process.
I mean forget about play calling and knowing when to go for on 4th down using analytics.
nah, give me a boots on the fricking ground breakdown of analytical use in player evaluation.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean if their analytics is so elite, why have they sucked?
Exactly! Over the last 5 years (2018) alone the Saints have won 54 games. The Broncos 30....
Yep, 'different level' alright.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:51 am to hellsu
where was this info when they gave up a farm for russ wilson?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:51 am to hellsu
So you are mad that he’s telling the truth? If anything you should be mad at the Saints for not keeping up.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:52 am to hellsu
I appreciate what he did for us, but why throw shade?
When like others have said, he basically had free reign over everything.
When like others have said, he basically had free reign over everything.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:58 am to Beauw
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I appreciate what he did for us, but why throw shade?
That's not shade. Y'all just sensitive. He just gave a slight comparison that favored his new team, color me shocked
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:00 am to tigersquad89
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So you are mad that he’s telling the truth? If anything you should be mad at the Saints for not keeping up.
I'm sure we have analytics and Ireland is very good at drafting. We have been pretty successful, too.
Just because Denver has different analytics or more, or some magic number, doesn't mean they are more effective, just because they're "analytics".
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:01 am to hellsu
Don’t. Give. A. frick.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:03 am to tigersquad89
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So you are mad that he’s telling the truth?
The entire Saints organization was effectively built by him. If he wanted a bigger, more efficient Analytics department, he would have created it.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:04 am to LooseCannon22282
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nah, give me a boots on the fricking ground breakdown of analytical use in player evaluation.
There are probably hundreds of analytics/models used by the 32 teams, from hybrid approaches (like what PFF does with grading) to purely analytical/data-driven models (like which college behaviors are more likely to lead to NFL success or success within the particular system).
There isn't one magical number that will be created to evaluate players/teams/prospects. It's always going to be creating as many efficient variables to give a larger picture. These variables aren't just analytics or even old-school scouting. Things like RAS or just physical profiles matter (the Saints would be idiots to draft Nolan Smith, for example)
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:04 am to LSUPilot07
That is somewhat shocking, as the Saints have been early adopters of analytics since Mickey Loomis got here.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
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The entire Saints organization was effectively built by him. If he wanted a bigger, more efficient Analytics department, he would have created it.
There is this, too.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:my first thought. Nothing screams "elite analytics" like going 3-14 or whatever it was.
I mean if their analytics is so elite, why have they sucked?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm sure we have analytics and Ireland is very good at drafting. We have been pretty successful, too.
Just because Denver has different analytics or more, or some magic number, doesn't mean they are more effective, just because they're "analytics".
Probably not even different, they may just use more tech which should make it easier/quicker to access. Which is probably why he made the comment “I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on,”
But the raw data is most likely very similar if not identical.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:11 am to hellsu
Well the world of analytics has really grown exponentially since his time in the league so this checks out. I bet the saints have better analytics now also.
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