Doug_H

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How utterly stupid was re-signing Kamara?

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Does anybody have the exact breakdown for the remaining years on his contract after the recent restructure/50% clause we used? Guaranteed cash payout each year, cap hit, and dead money now compared to if released/traded post June 1st?

As I understand for '26 he is guaranteed $11.5M, base salary is $1.3M, cap hit is $10.5M. I guess I'm confused on what has already been paid of the guaranteed money and what is actually left t be paid each season. Does this mean that we are only paying him $1.3M this season plus incentives ($500k per playoff win / 1,600 scrimmage yards)? If that's the case even though his base salary makes him tradeable from another team's perspective they would have to offer us "enough" compensation.

Post 6/1 release;
'26 dead cap $11.4M...Savings is none, actually cost us $888k
'27 dead cap $8M

Post 6/1 trade;
'26 dead cap $10M.....Savings of $456k
'27 dead cap $8M

Anybody have a carrot cake recipe???

On vacation in Cabo at a local grocery store last year I finally tried Carrot Cake again for the first in probably 15+ years and it was delicious! I asked others with us if that was just this one or if that's how all carrot cake tasted and I just forgot, but they did say this one was sweeter.

Not really fan of carrots but mainly due to the harder, crunchier texture if they aren't cooked or boiled enough to soften.

Foskey in the 2nd and Haener in the 4 let alone trading up to get him were both dumb picks. The rest were solid. Can't blame Kendre & Saldiveri, poor fellas just have had horrible injury luck.

The pass blocking stat really stands out, but last year was the first season I can recall him being horrible in pass protection. Would be curious to see that stat year over year for his career.

Fairly early on last season we took Kamara out of the game on 3rd downs and put in in rookie Devin Neal, and we saw it for all 3 phases running, receiving, and pass pro. That says a lot, especially considering Kamara is supposed to be 3rd down type back

We can make excuses for some of the numbers like the O-line being bad, Rattler was the starter for most of the games and so on, but the effort and explosion just were not there. Then when you factor in salary.......

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He fell off a cliff once he left the chiefs and seems to be trouble.

I'd be absolutely shocked if the saints signed him

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He was a top CB in the league and traded to the Titans in 2024.
2024 he only played in 5 games before injuring his quad
2025 he only played in 7 games before injuring his quad again.

Given the quad injury and recent legal case, even though charges were dropped, he likely will only be able to get a 1yr deal for "prove it" type money. We should absolutely bring him in for a visit and tryout. I believe we'll see improvement in Kool-Aid & Riley but neither have yet to show they can shut down opposing teams WR1s and Snead was able to hold his own against Tyreek Hill & Jamarr Chase in years past.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he went back to the Chiefs since Spags is still there and he had his best years with him.

Just bring back the darn steak fingers

There are still a few free agents out there that I think we should be bringing in for a visit to kick the tires on. Devin White, Kenneth Murray, Bobby Okereke

Maybe we can pull off a player for player trade like we did with Jacksonville swapping Khalen Saunders for Luke Fortner last season.

Alvin Kamara might be a potential after signing Travis Etienne and having Kendre Miller, Devin Neal & Audrick Estime all returning. Would just have be to be appropriate value in return.

Caesar Ruiz might be a potential after signing David Edwards and drafting Jeremiah Wright. We also re-signed Dillon Radunz and have Torricelli Simpkins returning.

WR will likely have some tough cuts as well. Think we usually keep 6?
1) Chris Olave 2) Jordyn Tyson 3) DeVaughn Vele 4) Bryce Lance

So it'll be tough battle for the last two spots between
-Ja'Lynn Polk: 2024 2nd rd pick by Patriots that we made a late draft pick swap trade for last season.
-Jerrod "Bub" Means: 2024 5th rd pick has shown some flashes but struggling to stay healthy
-Barion Brown: 6th rd rookie with great speed & yac ability, should also be a factor in return game
-Trey Palmer: 2023 6th rd pick by Tampa Bay that showed some flashes that we claimed off waivers last season
-Damien Alford: Signed from CFL, absolute monster at 6'6" 225 that high points the ball and makes contested catches, albeit against lesser competition.

I think these for sure will be the odd guys out unless they are the camp beasts
-Mason Tipton: 2024 undrafted rookie, flashed a little in camps but has yet to stand out in game. Return game also has been underwhelming.
-Ronnie Bell: 2023 7th rd pick by 49ers, showed a few flashes but seems like a low ceiling player
-Kevin Austin Jr: 2022 undrafted rookie. Had chances after injuries but couldn't fully capitalize

Same. Also glad Love got selected ahead of us! As good as he is and is going to be, I did not want to spend #8 pick on RB after just handing a 4yr/$52M deal to Etienne in free agency

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This was serious work to put this together. I like having objective facts to inform opinions. Whether a trade was a win or loss is subjective, but looking at what happened w picks is objective

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Same. When trading for picks I try to look at value first to grade, then who we selected with said picks or how we may have packaged them for another trade. Then grade it overall.

Similarly with trading for a player. If said player is an immediate starter for us then that helps the grade even if he didn't perform well since in theory as a starter he did improve us. But then also factor in how they performed to grade it overall.

For picks we traded away I just look at the value, not who the other team selected since that's irrelevant.
For players we traded away I do factor in their performance on the next team to an extent.

2019:
• 2019 2nd(62nd) / 6th(202nd) / 2020 2nd(56th) to DOLPHINS for 2019 2nd(48th) (C-Eric McCoy) / 4th(116th) (later packaged in trade for CGJ)
o WIN.
o McCoy is a starter & top 5 center when healthy
• 2019 4th(116th) / 5th(116th) to JETS for 2019 4th(105th) (DB-Chauncey Gardner-Johnson)
o WIN.
o CGJ was a starter for several years
• LB-Vince Biegel to BILLS for LB-Kiko Alonso
o WIN.
o Kiko was an immediate starter

2018:
• 2018 1st(27th) / 5th(147th) / 2019 1st(30th) to PACKERS for 1st(14th) (DT-Marcus Davenport)
o LOSE.
o Davenport flashed but couldn’t stay healthy or consistent
• 2019 3rd(93rd) to VIKINGS for QB-Teddy Bridgewater / 2019 6th(177th) (S-Saquan Hampton)
o WIN.
o Teddy was a great QB2 & locker room guy that made several starts
o Hampton played a little on STs
• DL-Devaroe Lawrence to BROWNS for 2019 7th(231st) (TE-Alize Mack)
o LOSS
o Lawrence was a contributor and didn’t cost too much
o Mack never amounted to anything
• 2019 4th(132nd) / 7th(238th) to GIANTS for CB-Eli Apple
o WIN.
o Apple started a few years for us

2017:
• WR-Brandin Cooks / 2027 4th(118th) to the PATRIOTS for 2017 1st (OT-Ryan Ramzyck) / 3rd (DE-Trey Hendrickson)
o WIN.
o Ramzyck was an immediate starter & became an all-pro
o Hendrickson contributed/started and played well for years
• 2017 7th(229th) / 2018 2nd(59th) to REDSKINS for 2017 3rd(67th) (RB-Alviin Kamara)
o WIN.
o Kamara was a top back in the league for years
• 2019 7th to the EAGLES for LS-Jon Dorenbros
o We got the pick back after our team doctors found medical issues on Dorenbros
• RB-Adrian Peterson to the CARDINALS for conditional 6th (DB-Kamrin Moore)
o WIN.
o Moore didn’t do much for us but at least we got something in return for Peterson after it was obvious he was not a good fit for our O
• LB-Stephone Anthony to the DOLPHINS for 5th(147th) (Packaged pick for Davenport)
o WIN.
o Getting anything in return for Anthony was a win. What we did with it after was a loss

2016:
• 2016 3rd(78th) / 4th(112th) to PATRIOTS for 2016 2nd(61st) (S-Vonn Bell)
o WIN-WIN.
o Bell was a starter for several years
• 2016 5th(152nd) / 2017 5th(154th) to REDSKINS for 4th (DT-David Onyemata)
o WIN.
o Onyemata was a starter for several years
• 2017 conditional 7th (did not convey) to DOLPHINS for DE-Chris McCain

2015:
• TE-Jimmy Graham / 2015 4th(112th) to SEAHAWKS for C-Max Unger / 1st (LB-Stephone Anthony)
o WIN.
o We couldn’t afford Graham & his play dropped after leaving NOLA
o Unger anchored our line for years.
o Spending the 1st on Anthony was a miss but still was a great value on the surface.
• WR-Kenny Stills to DOLPHINS for LB-Dannell Ellerbe / 2015 3rd(78th) (DB-P.J. Williams)
o WIN.
o Stills was a 5th that we turned into a 3rd & and a starting LB.
o Ellerbe was an immediate starter and impact player. Unfortunately he couldn’t stay too healthy. #BlessedToSeeAnotherDay
o PJ Williams being a contributor/starter for years
• 2015 6th(187th) / 2016 6th(187th) to REDSKINS for 2015 5th(167th) (CB-Damian Swann)
o WIN.
o Swann was developing nicely & making plays until a concussion shortened his career
• G-Ben Grubbs to CHIEFS for 5th (DT-Tyeler Davison)
o WIN.
o Grubbs play declined & didn’t match his salary at that point with us and completely fell off with KC.
o Davison was a solid contributor & part time starter

2014:
• Darren Sproles to EAGLES for 5th (LB-Ronald Powell)
o LOSS. But not by too much factoring contract.
o Sproles played 6 more seasons, but only 2 of those did he get close to matching production from Saints. Saints 2014 RBs were Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson & Pierre Thomas.
o Powell played 14 games as a rookie for us mostly on STs then released the following season and bounced around the league on practice squads for a few years. He died unexpectedly in 2024, though cause of death unclear.
• 1st(27th) / 3rd(#91st) to CARDINALS for 2014 1st(20th) (WR-Brandin Cooks)
o WIN.
o Cooks was worthy of a 1st rd pick putting up 2-1,000 yard seasons. In 3 years with NO he totaled 215rec, 2,861yrd, 20tds

2013:
• RB-Chris Ivory to JETS for 2013 4th(106th) (later packaged in John Jenkins trade)
o WASH.
o Turning a UDFA into a 4th after 3 injury plagued seasons is a win itself but I graded it “wash” because his performance increased after leaving us.
? Played 3 seasons for NO totaling 5.1ypc, 1,307yrd, 8td Ivory then played 3 seasons for the Jets totaling 4.3ypc, 2,724yrd, 16td.
• 2013 4th(106th) / 4th(109th) to DOLPHINS for 2013 3rd(82nd) (DT-John Jenkins)
o WASH.
o Jenkins was an immediate contributor then after rookie season turned starter. Never made a huge impact though.
• 2014 7th(242nd) to 49ers for LB-Parys Haralson
o WIN
o Haralson was a rotational piece playing significant snaps with us for 2 seasons

2012:
• 2013 7th(220th) to SEAHAWKS for LB-Barrett Rudd
o WIN.
o Ruud played a role and contributed, for only a 7th

2011:
• 2011 2nd(56th) / 2012 1st(27th) to PATRIOTS for 1st(28th) (RB-Mark Ingram)
o WIN.
o Ingram took a while to get going but became a key piece of the offense and locker room.
• RB-Reggie Bush / 2012 6th(196th) to DOLPHINS for S-Jonathan Amaya / 2012 6th(179th) (OT-Andrew Tiller)
o WIN-WIN.
o Instead of giving Bush a larger contract we instead signed Sproles.
o Amaya played some STs but didn’t do much
o Tiller was cut before regular season

2010:
• 2010 4th(130th) / 2010 6th(201st) to CARDINALS for 2010 4th(123rd) (DT-Al Woods)
o WASH
o Woods didn’t make the Saints roster but it only cost a 6th. Tricky to grade as we cut him after camp and he bounced around the league on several practice squads for 6 years before finally being a contributor then eventual starter and having a 12 year NFL career
• 2011 4th(121st) to JAGUARS for 2010 5th(158th) (C-Matt Tennant)
o LOSS
o Tennant never played a regular season snap for us and only lasted 2 seasons. He was subsequently signed by Patriots & Eagles but was out of the league before start of 2013 season.
• T-Jammal Brown / 2011 5th(155th) to REDSKINS for 2011 3rd(72nd) (LB-Martez Wilson)
o WASH
o Brown’s play had declined some with us plus he was due for a contract extension. He played okay in 2010 & part of 2011 for Washington before a hip injury cut the season short and ultimately ended his career.
o Wilson flashed but never panned out and was cut after 2 seasons

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I’ve never played Greystone and I played Pelican Point a few times in the past but it’s been years. Which one is better

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Which is closer to your house? Or maybe closer to work if you plan on playing afternoon rounds in the summer months.

You definitely need to play Greystone then since you've never played it.

Also you need to play both the Links and Lakes courses at Pelican again since it's been years. The Links had all of it's bunkers and greens re-done last year, and Lakes bunkers are currently under construction but should be finished soon.

Clubhouse is nice & good atmosphere, and the food is really good. Cart girls here lately don't seem to be out and about as much as often, but I believe a few members have voiced that so it'll probably get rectified.

The Links;
--Fairways were in bad shape recently due to microscopic bermuda mites that killed large patches of grass. They began treating them a few weeks ago and should be getting nice here shortly.
--Parts fairways and particularly closer to the greens historically have had tight hard pan lies that honestly suck and I don't know of anyone who wants that. But after they had re-opened last year after the reno these same areas were much more plush and softer and supposedly they were going to keep it that way.
--Not a bad walk for 18 holes
--Non member charge is $125 or if they are playing with a member then it's $90.

The Lakes;
--Is in good shape right now minus the bunkers that are being renovated
--Is a very easy walk.
--Only 9-hole but switching tee boxes after the turn makes it play differently
--It's a par 35/70, but I find it's not any easier than Links. Lakes greens are very challenging because they are small, some narrow in width and some short in length/depth, and most are slightly elevated similar to the Links.
--Non member charge I think is $60.
--If you have Lakes membership then it's $28 cart fee each time for Lakes (if you don't have unlimited plan) and $90 for Links before 3:00 then it drops to the same $28 cart fee after 3:00.

Greystone;
--Is a challenging course. I find it plays long but there are also several holes that driver is not needed.
--I find the rounds are typically longer there than Pelican, partially due to being fairly tough and also I find there are more public players there that probably aren't as good or familiar with course etiquette leading to longer round time
--Nice club house, only ate once but it was good.
--Nice cart girls