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re: Pelicans are in play for Dejounte Murray according to Chris Haynes.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:10 am to Bdnp1
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:10 am to Bdnp1
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I really hope we don’t get Murray. He really isn’t even that special . Hawks have been worse since attaining him , he has a lot of empty stats , and his inconsistent . He would create an even bigger headache with the current jam for minutes at the guard spot , and he doesn’t cover any needs … and we will probably have to give up a young prospect for him , Dyson / hawk … not worth it
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Murray further compounds our issues. Go get a real facilitator or center if you’re “cashing your chips”
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:11 am to TeddyPadillac
My suspicion is that the Pels are more interested in Okongwu than Murray, and people have assumed that Pels/Atlanta talks are centered on Murray when that may not quite be the case
Woj brought up Okongwu with the Pels/Murray talks and said they are interested in both of them. No mention of Capela. I don’t think Capela is a real option for the Pels.
I think trading for Murray only makes sense if you don’t view CJ and BI as fits for the team through the next 3 years. How likely do we think it is that Griff is actively planning to move off those two? I doubt it very much.
I love JV but a shot on Okongwu makes sense. Makes us younger and more athletic. Okongwu probably needs the ball less than JV so you can funnel more usage through the big 3 and the shooters. Plus he’s signed to a very palatable contract for 4 more years after this one at 16 million per year or so. That’s fine even if he doesn’t develop at all. If he continues to develop (he just turned 23) that could become a steal.
Woj brought up Okongwu with the Pels/Murray talks and said they are interested in both of them. No mention of Capela. I don’t think Capela is a real option for the Pels.
I think trading for Murray only makes sense if you don’t view CJ and BI as fits for the team through the next 3 years. How likely do we think it is that Griff is actively planning to move off those two? I doubt it very much.
I love JV but a shot on Okongwu makes sense. Makes us younger and more athletic. Okongwu probably needs the ball less than JV so you can funnel more usage through the big 3 and the shooters. Plus he’s signed to a very palatable contract for 4 more years after this one at 16 million per year or so. That’s fine even if he doesn’t develop at all. If he continues to develop (he just turned 23) that could become a steal.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'm not interested in Murray to be honest. He simply doesn't fit with our current starters of CJ/BI/Herb/Zion, and those 4 aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It seems dumb to play him off the bench.
I would love to get Okongwu.
If there's a way to send JV out, which would make me upset, as well as my wife, and get back Okongwu as well as another big body center, then i'm all for that.
I also think Okongwu can be the ideal 5 for us, even though he is undersized. I also think he is goign to improve his shooting.
So if we did a JV/EJ for Okongwu/Drummond, i'd be satisfied.
That keeps us $2.6M under the tax with 13 players, and then we can sign Ryan and Karlo. We'd need to get back some 2nds from ATL to send to the Bulls.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm not interested in Murray.
I'm very interested in Okongwu.
For Okongwu I would give up JV + pels 24 1st and maybe another 1st if we get back AJ Griffin or 2-3 2nds
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:13 am to 50_Tiger
We wouldn't trade Zeller. Matkovich is still an unknown and we still have to get to 14 roster spots.
CJ/ Murray/ Jose
Herb/ Hawkins/ Matt Ryan
BI/ Trey/ Dyson
Zion/ Nance/ Liddell
Okongowu/ Matkovich/ Zeller
If we trade Zeller we'd have to add Ryan and Matkovich. But that would just give us Okongowou/ Matkovich. I'd rather keep Zeller if we can whether it's 14th or 15th roster spot.
CJ/ Murray/ Jose
Herb/ Hawkins/ Matt Ryan
BI/ Trey/ Dyson
Zion/ Nance/ Liddell
Okongowu/ Matkovich/ Zeller
If we trade Zeller we'd have to add Ryan and Matkovich. But that would just give us Okongowou/ Matkovich. I'd rather keep Zeller if we can whether it's 14th or 15th roster spot.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:14 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:16 am to Balsamic_duck
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I'm not interested in Murray.
I'm very interested in Okongwu.
For Okongwu I would give up JV + pels 24 1st and maybe another 1st if we get back AJ Griffin or 2-3 2nds
And that's where yall aren't understanding the value. You'd give that up for Okongwu but wouldn't add just (1) more first for Murray?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:21 am to Dantheman504
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He doesn't have to fit with all the starters full time. If we get Murray then it could give us a bench unit of:
Murray/
Hawkins/
Dyson/
Murphy/
Nance/
That's strong. And the only example we have to compare a higher profile player with issues coming off the bench is Westbrook. It seems that everyone is talking about how well they have been playing.
Zero chance Murray is cool with coming off the bench. Klutch would raise hell
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:26 am to Dantheman504
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And that's where yall aren't understanding the value. You'd give that up for Okongwu but wouldn't add just (1) more first for Murray?
I understand the value. I just don't think Murray would make us better. I think it would be a case of the total being less than the sum of it's parts. We already see that issue sometimes with BI. Murray has some of the same issues. Watching Murray dribble into a midrange shot while CJ, Zion, and BI stand around will have you missing herb
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:26 am to Balsamic_duck
If we somehow got Murray without trading Herb, then Herb goes to the bench.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:38 am to kpop1
Does anyone really think Murray is worth gutting the roster and giving up multiple picks? I worry about substantial unintended consequences. Is Murray a missing piece for a championship?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:39 am to Dantheman504
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And that's where yall aren't understanding the value. You'd give that up for Okongwu but wouldn't add just (1) more first for Murray?
I don't think Murray automatically makes us better. We are paper thin at the 4/5 and need another athletic big
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:42 am to VOR
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Does anyone really think Murray is worth gutting the roster and giving up multiple picks? I worry about substantial unintended consequences. Is Murray a missing piece for a championship?
Nope. I hope Griffin stays patient. Murray is not the guy to blow the war chest on.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:43 am to etm512
I think there's several things going on here.
1. Griff wanted Allen but he's off limits now so he's turned to Okungwu.
2. He's bargain shopping. I don't think he is dying to add Murray but if he can get him without giving up any of our young corps, why not. Try him out this season and now you have an extra trade chip at worst this summer.
3. It keeps him off the Lakers.
I think the only young guy Griff might consider giving up is Dyson. I just can't see Herb getting traded for a Klutch guy.
1. Griff wanted Allen but he's off limits now so he's turned to Okungwu.
2. He's bargain shopping. I don't think he is dying to add Murray but if he can get him without giving up any of our young corps, why not. Try him out this season and now you have an extra trade chip at worst this summer.
3. It keeps him off the Lakers.
I think the only young guy Griff might consider giving up is Dyson. I just can't see Herb getting traded for a Klutch guy.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:44 am to MetryMauler
Bruh Naji, Val, 2028 1st, 2030 1st is not a "war chest" if that's the type of offer.
Is Okongowou worth a 1st and Val knowing Val is expiring? Is Isaiah Stewart worth a 1st and Val knowing Val is expiring? Yall don't think Murray for (1) 1st is worth it while losing nothing???
Is Okongowou worth a 1st and Val knowing Val is expiring? Is Isaiah Stewart worth a 1st and Val knowing Val is expiring? Yall don't think Murray for (1) 1st is worth it while losing nothing???
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:44 am to etm512
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I don't think Murray automatically makes us better. We are paper thin at the 4/5 and need another athletic big
Exactly. Only move Griff shoujd be trying to make is trading Naji and Zeller for an athletic defensive 5.
If Hawks are selling really low on Murray, maybe, but I don’t think he’s worth it.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:45 am to ghost2most
With Herb shooting threes like he is, he is the perfect guy to have on the court with Zion. I’ll be pissed if he is included in a Murray deal.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:48 am to Dantheman504
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Yall don't think Murray for (1) 1st is worth it while losing nothing???
If you can get Murray for a first and no players, sure. I don’t get the love for Okongwu. He’s a downgrade from Jonas. At 6-8, Okongwu is not going to be able to guard some of the big centers in the West.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:48 am to ghost2most
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If we somehow got Murray without trading Herb, then Herb goes to the bench.
no thank you.
I'd rather Herb be on the court with BI/Zion/CJ. If those 3 guys are on the court, the other two guys are just role players. JV or other 5 is just there to set picks and get rebounds. Herb is just there to shoot wide open catch and shoot 3's, which he's been amazing at.
Herb is better than Murray on our team. No he's not a better scorer, but that's not what we need at that 4th starting position. We need Herb's shooting and defense, and it's a hell of a lot better than what Murray provides in that same role.
Herb set the tone last night from the get go frustrating Harden, and while Harden made his first 4 shots from ridiculous range, he came back down to earth and did much of nothing last night. Our previous game with the Clippers Harden was unstoppable.
Harden had the fewest assits in his last 39 games last night, and his worst assist/turnover ratio in tha time span as well. Thank you Herb. You aren't going anywhere.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:52 am to TeddyPadillac
I personally hope we can get Stewart/ Okongowu without trading Val even if it's just to get us through the year and he walks. Add Ryan/ Matkovich and we are set.
But the dramatic responses for the potential to add Murray while losing literally nothing is over the top.
But the dramatic responses for the potential to add Murray while losing literally nothing is over the top.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:54 am to TeddyPadillac
I'm not sure the Pels are serious about Murray. I can't see trading Herb or Trey, and Dyson isn't what the Hawks are looking for right now.
I do think the Pels want Okongwu. Keep the Hawks engaged and away from the Lakers by talking about Murray, then at the last minute say "We can't agree on Murray, but let's do JV/stuff for Okongwu"
I do think the Pels want Okongwu. Keep the Hawks engaged and away from the Lakers by talking about Murray, then at the last minute say "We can't agree on Murray, but let's do JV/stuff for Okongwu"
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:56 am to Dantheman504
I mean let's just take out Murray and drop in everyone's favorite Curuso. Everyone was upset because we'd have to give up Herb/ Dyson/ etc. Yall are gonna bitch if we'd be able to do that without Herb/ Dyson just because someone has to move to the bench?
Yeah chemistry would be a concern and it seems we are playing well but again the argument would be "we are adding another starting level player and a starter has to move to the bench". And that's apparently just a terrible situation
Yeah chemistry would be a concern and it seems we are playing well but again the argument would be "we are adding another starting level player and a starter has to move to the bench". And that's apparently just a terrible situation
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