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re: Kerr: Davis Trade Bad For League

Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:35 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:35 pm to
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And Kerr made the point that guys like Durant did it right coming and going. He arrived via free agency and then left via free agency. Durant didn't demand OKC trade him to GS, and he didn't demand GS trade him to Brooklyn.


So Durant leaves OKC and goes to GSW, OKC gets nothing, GSW gets Durant.

AD tells his team he wants to be traded and won't resign, and Pels get booku return for their superstar, instead of him leaving for nothing like Durant did with OKC.

If anyone did it wrong, it was Durant leaving OKC and leaving them with nothing. Must be real nice to lose your superstar the "right way" via free agency, not have cap space, yet still get an allstar in return via "free agency" Steve.

Shut up Steve.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17977 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:38 pm to
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AD started the flood this offseason but it's Paul George who is going to have a lasting legacy. he had years left



But Paul George didn't make it public. If the Thunder hadn't been able to make a deal, he would presumably have continued to play with the Thunder without anyone ever knowing.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32737 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:42 pm to
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So Durant leaves OKC and goes to GSW, OKC gets nothing, GSW gets Durant.

AD tells his team he wants to be traded and won't resign, and Pels get booku return for their superstar, instead of him leaving for nothing like Durant did with OKC.

If anyone did it wrong, it was Durant leaving OKC and leaving them with nothing. Must be real nice to lose your superstar the "right way" via free agency, not have cap space, yet still get an allstar in return via "free agency" Steve.

Shut up Steve.
Regardless of the outcome, do you think what AD did was better than what Durant did? If you sign a contract you should fulfill the requirements of that contract. If you want to have a private conversation with the team you have a contract with and let them know that you won't be staying, that's great, but not a requirement. Requesting a trade, especially in the middle of a season shows that you aren't living up to your end of the bargain, and aren't fully focused on the team that you're currently on. Both Kawhi and Durant left their respective teams this offseason, but no one is going to say that they didn't give it their all when they were on those teams.

Did the Pels end up better because of how AD went about this situation? Yes, but how he handled the situation was shitty.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
35558 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:50 pm to
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AD started the flood this offseason but it's Paul George who is going to have a lasting legacy. he had years left



Not at all. At least not to the general public.

No one knew of the request until it was a done deal. AD went public with his request because we didn't trade him to the Lakers within the first 24 hours.

If we traded AD the day before the draft or sometime in the offseason without hearing a word from his camp about wanting out, the backlash would have been non-existent compared to what actually happened
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25808 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:00 pm to
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do you think what AD did was better than what Durant did?


100% yes i think what he did was better, for the Pelicans. OKC got nothing. We got Ingram, Ball, Hart, Hayes, Alexander, Didi, and more, including extra cap space to sign Reddick and Favors.

Of course what he did was pretty unprofessional, and word that he wanted out should have been known to no one but the Pels and AD, and if the Pels wanted to let that news out so they could trade him, so be it. It's obvious why AD did what he did, b/c he wanted to go to the Lakers and not the Celtics.

He wanted out. I know he signed a contract. Contracts work both ways. He can want out. The team can want him out. There's a professional way to ask out, and there's the AD way to do it.
If you said that a team signs a player and isn't allowed to trade him until the contract runs out, then i'd agree that players shouldn't be able to ask to be traded when they want.



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Both Kawhi and Durant left their respective teams this offseason, but no one is going to say that they didn't give it their all when they were on those teams.


Well they also had something to play for. AD isn't good enough to get his team in a position to play for something special, so it was no big deal for him to quit caring in his eyes.
Posted by Madtown
Member since Jun 2019
190 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:10 pm to
I say we do some blood contracts. And if they want to be traded then it cost them there first born, which actually wouldn't matter in this case because AD be popping them out.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32737 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:10 pm to
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100% yes i think what he did was better, for the Pelicans. OKC got nothing. We got Ingram, Ball, Hart, Hayes, Alexander, Didi, and more, including extra cap space to sign Reddick and Favors.

Of course what he did was pretty unprofessional, and word that he wanted out should have been known to no one but the Pels and AD, and if the Pels wanted to let that news out so they could trade him, so be it. It's obvious why AD did what he did, b/c he wanted to go to the Lakers and not the Celtics.

He wanted out. I know he signed a contract. Contracts work both ways. He can want out. The team can want him out. There's a professional way to ask out, and there's the AD way to do it.
If you said that a team signs a player and isn't allowed to trade him until the contract runs out, then i'd agree that players shouldn't be able to ask to be traded when they want.
The reason that he did what he did when he did it, wasn't a favor to the team. It was because it was the only way that he could get to the Lakers. They weren't throwing away another of LeBron's last years. So it was either, get traded there this offseason (or during last season), or never get there.

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If you said that a team signs a player and isn't allowed to trade him until the contract runs out, then i'd agree that players shouldn't be able to ask to be traded when they want.
The team controls the contract once it's signed, not the player. Now, if you want to say that it shouldn't work that way, fine. But, that's something that would have to be negotiated in the CBA. As it currently stands, once the contract is signed the team is in control of it. If they want to waive the player and grant them release from the contract they can, if they want to trade the contract, they can, if they want to keep the contract, they can. Unless it's written into the contract that there is a no-trade clause, the team can do with it as they see fit. No one currently has a no-trade contract, by the way.

I think it may be interesting if there was some sort of language in the future CBA that doesn't allow for trades of players unless they are either in their last year of their contract, or if both the player and the team agree to the trade.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10473 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:35 pm to
I think the issue with AD is that he not only wanted out publicly, but was sabotaging potential deals to force a trade to a specific team. George didn't do that.

AD is complete POS for how he behaved and it was clearly tampering by the rules of the NBA. Just because they didn't enforce their own rules because their commissioner is a wuss, doesn't mean its okay.

Just because the Pelicans got a reasonable return on AD for the trade also doesn't make it right.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96437 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:36 pm to
My spitballed idea for handling this is that a player who forcefully requests a trade can have his Bird rights terminated.

He can be traded anywhere he wants but whoever gets him better have the cap space to re-sign him when that contract expires.


I’m sure people will be able to poke holes in that one but the general idea is to make it that much harder for the player’s chosen destination to be able to keep them by putting them on a level playing field with other teams instead of giving them an advantage.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32737 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:43 pm to
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Just because the Pelicans got a reasonable return on AD for the trade also doesn't make it right.
Right, this is my take on it. I'm happy with the end results, but the process was fricked up.
Posted by LuckySunday
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2011
477 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:50 pm to
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I think the issue with AD is that he not only wanted out publicly


Also I'm sure it hurts the NBA from an optics stand point when such a prolific player is shitting on a small market team that most casual NBA fans want moved to Seattle or some shite.
Posted by DaTruth225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
307 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:00 pm to
Well said!
Posted by jaTigerfan
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
2091 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:11 pm to
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Just because the Pelicans got a reasonable return on AD for the trade also doesn't make it right.


This. The only reason this trade went so well for us is that Pelinka is an idiot.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30615 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:24 pm to
He’s not wrong
Posted by LuckySunday
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2011
477 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:30 pm to
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The reason that he did what he did when he did it, wasn't a favor to the team. It was because it was the only way that he could get to the Lakers. They weren't throwing away another of LeBron's last years.


It's actually funny because the Lebron timeline gave us the best leverage.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32737 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 6:06 pm to
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It's actually funny because the Lebron timeline gave us the best leverage.

Luckily Griff > Pelinka, and we had leverage on our side, otherwise things could’ve got ugly.
Posted by Shameless
Member since Jan 2017
831 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 6:31 pm to
With respect to players being traded, the “shoes on the other foot” narrative is weak. If the players don’t want to be traded on a whim, than maybe they should own a team? Let’s not forget who pays who here...

Employer, Employee. All of y’all in favor of players demanding trades mid-season and mid-contract are probably the same people who want fast food workers to start at $15/hr.
Posted by MoneyBuysJetskis
Member since Jul 2019
20 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 6:41 pm to
First post but yeah he's right. Bigger problem is Paul George requesting a trade his first year of his 4 year contract. This will be discussed in the new CBA
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22819 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:12 pm to
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And Kerr made the point that guys like Durant did it right coming and going. He arrived via free agency and then left via free agency. Durant didn't demand OKC trade him to GS, and he didn't demand GS trade him to Brooklyn.



The crazy cap expansion that happened to facilitate Durant to the Warriors was horrible for the league.
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:44 pm to
Falk AD!
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