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re: I used to think Zion was a must keep bc he's the only guy with superstar potential
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:08 pm to ThePistol
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:08 pm to ThePistol
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He was the best player on the floor with 20/10 until he was taken out with 10pt lead with 6:40 left in the third. Our coach was their best defense again tonight.
And he started the 4th with a 13 point lead and he proceeded to to just drive and get his shot blocked or miss layups. Willie sucks but at least he had Trey out there with Zion but for some reason Zion just ignores him. With how much gravity he creates he could sit up Trey for so many looks that is what Zion did last year
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:41 am to ghost2most
His ceiling is much lower than just about everyone thought.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:49 am to ThePistol
People keep referring to Zion getting taken out, but perhaps he was just gassed and/or the staff was trying to keep him fresh for the end of the game, due to all of his poor 4th quarters this season. It didn’t seem to work, but don’t blame Willie. Blame Zion for still having conditioning issues that the coaching staff still has to attempt to manage halfway through year 5.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:57 am to 3PieceSpicy
When did he get his 5th foul?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:42 am to Jar_Jar_80
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And he started the 4th with a 13 point lead and he proceeded to to just drive and get his shot blocked or miss layups.
Zion was 7-17 with 6 turnovers. With the level of defense that he plays, that's nowhere near good enough.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:30 am to Colonel Flagg
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Trade BI and build better shooting around point Zion.
I'd rather try building around BI or once. This is 3 years of building around Zion and him not being up to the task.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:52 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'd rather try building around BI or once.
The thing is, Ingram isn’t a number 1 guy on a contending team.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:43 am to Colonel Flagg
And these dudes should not be the ones catching and shooting 3s off zion drives.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:51 am to ghost2most
You need to ‘Steve Kerr’ your ‘Mark Jackson’ or absolutely none of it matters anyway.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:51 am to ghost2most
I understand your frustration, but you and others are wrong about Ingram. He can create his own shot, and he actually plays some defense.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:35 am to jamal
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The thing is, Ingram isn’t a number 1 guy on a contending team.
He's the closest thing we have.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:36 am to jamal
quote:We know he's not a #1. The question is whether he's a legit #2. That's not a given either.
The thing is, Ingram isn’t a number 1 guy on a contending team.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:38 am to shel311
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The question is whether he's a legit #2. That's not a given either.
Now you're just being an emotional teenage.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:39 am to Galactic Inquisitor
No he's right and we have the sample size for it.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:40 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Are below average or just average efficiency volume shooters who don't do anything else very well scream #2 to you?
Now you're just being an emotional teenage.
I'm being objective here, you're the one lacking self awareness and giving out blind homer takes.
There is absolutely a question of whether BI is good enough to be a #2. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:43 am to shel311
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Are below average or just average efficiency volume shooters who don't do anything else very well scream #2 to you?
He had 19 potential assists last night and has had solid to high assists majority of games. He had 4 blocks as well and overall has played with solid intensity. Im not a huge BI fan but he can easily be a solid number two- but again depends who you’re number one is.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:47 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:He had blocks/steals last night. Overall, he's not a very good defensive player, likely below average. The most optimistic possible take would be he's average defensively.
He had 19 potential assists last night and has had solid to high assists majority of games. He had 4 blocks as well and overall has played with solid intensity.
Passing, you have to compare a dude to his peers, not the league as a whole. BI is 38th in the NBA in assist %. A shite ton of dudes average 5 assists per game, so it's tough to argue he's an elite or very good passer. Compared to other #1 and #2 dudes, he's ok, he's solid.
Nothing he does stands out over his peers passing. Same goes for defense. So what does he do that separates himself from everyone else to be a #2? I don't see it.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:48 am to shel311
I compare him to Carmelo Anthony. He has such a strong and deliberate on ball style of offense that doesn't allow him to be a complimentary piece as a #2 guy on a championship team. He can only be effective playing his brand of ball. See how his coaching staff phased him out of the world cup and he was pretty ineffective when he was asked to take a backseat.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:51 am to 50_Tiger
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No he's right and we have the sample size for it.
Oh, so we have a large sample size of him playing with a true #1? Because the closest I've seen is a dozen or so games with prime Zion. Otherwise, BI has been asked to carry a roster built to fit Zion, not BI.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:52 am to shel311
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I'm being objective here, you're the one lacking self awareness and giving out blind homer takes.
Oh, sure, you are definitely the king of objective discourse.
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