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re: Bill Simmons says TMIII is assumed to get traded in the next 3 weeks,OKC & Boston suitors
Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:55 pm to ghost2most
Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:55 pm to ghost2most
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I really don't think he's top 30 anymore.
I won't argue that. The point is that being borderline Top 30 compared to "nothing" is a ridiculous stretch.
Injury concerns are real but his on court production makes his value far from nothing and still higher than Herb who is viewed as fair value for #11.
Z's minimum value is 2-3 mediocre 1st and someone would outbid it for the upside.
Not saying its a good idea for that team but they'll do it..
One mans trash is another mans treasure. Just because we finally had enough doesn't mean another team isn't going "I can fix him".
I just hope we actually do it.
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 6:25 pm to Dantheman504
if he doesn't play, you just traded for nothing. that's what i meant. if he plays he's not nothing but he's not top 30 either.
and there is a very real risk that zion williamson either cannot or will not play, regardless of what he does when he does play.
he's possibly top 50. there are 30 NBA teams, 60 top 2 players. tell me please, in a vacuum, which top 2 players you would say zion is more valuable than, right now.
and there is a very real risk that zion williamson either cannot or will not play, regardless of what he does when he does play.
he's possibly top 50. there are 30 NBA teams, 60 top 2 players. tell me please, in a vacuum, which top 2 players you would say zion is more valuable than, right now.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 6:46 pm to cgrand
quote:Not every team has 1 or 2 guys better than Zion. He's definitely in the Top 60 and can be Top 30 fully healthy.
tell me please, in a vacuum, which top 2 players you would say zion is more valuable than, right now.
Unironically here are a few destinations he'd be a #1 or #2. The Bulls, Nets, and Pistons which have been his most likely destinations the last 3 years:
Zion/ Giddey
Zion/ MPJ
Zion/ Cunningham
I'd say he's a #1-#2 between Derozen/ LaVine/ Sabonis on the Kings.
And Utah may be close between Zion/ JJ paired with Markkanen.
So he'd be a #1 or #2 on any of the top 5 teams that have simultaneously tried to trade for him the last 3 years.
In reality Zion + another star is going to sell more tickets than a #4 pick who will have to develop and could still be less capable than Z. That is not a promise.
Doubt it happens but we can for sure give them reasons to think it over, especially if we have other offers for leverage.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 6:56 pm to brmark70816
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He is all-NBA this year
Chet Holmgren is all NBA?? Did the entire league not play 65 games??
Posted on 6/1/26 at 6:59 pm to Dantheman504
GSW: Herb
CHI: Zion/ Missi/ #11
Pels: #4/ #15
Think this would be interesting with or without Missi.
CHI: Zion/ Missi/ #11
Pels: #4/ #15
Think this would be interesting with or without Missi.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 7:37 pm to Soggymoss
Trey is only 25 and on a team friendly deal. We would be stupid to trade him unless the package was something you couldn’t turn down. I think Murphy is going to be a good fit with Fears.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 7:39 pm to Dantheman504
Nobody is giving up No. 4 for Zion
Posted on 6/1/26 at 7:43 pm to Dantheman504
Dude, no offense, but you have to be drunk right. Zion is not fetching a top 10 pick in this draft. He makes over 40M a year and functionally does not fit with almost any team in the league. He's not a top 100 player, at this moment. We still don't even know what position he plays and he refuses to shoot 3s in a league focused on 3pt shooting. It makes no sense that you believe any of what you are saying. 3 1sts for Zion? That's just crazy.
Also? The Warriors don't have the cap space for Jones. They have to include a player(s). They aren't blowing all their assets for Jones. We'd be lucky to get a late 1st. But we are going to have to eat a contract or two. It'll probably end up Moody and Podz for Jones. Something like that, if we dealt with Jones. But they aren't throwing in a lottery pick with them..
Also? The Warriors don't have the cap space for Jones. They have to include a player(s). They aren't blowing all their assets for Jones. We'd be lucky to get a late 1st. But we are going to have to eat a contract or two. It'll probably end up Moody and Podz for Jones. Something like that, if we dealt with Jones. But they aren't throwing in a lottery pick with them..
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:34 pm to brmark70816
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Murphy and Jones to OKC, I think we could get Holmgren and at least one 1st (#12 of 17)
Both of those and more.
But really would like some in top 10.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:36 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
You’re a fool if you don’t take that trade!
Just bc Chet got linked by Wendy doesn’t mean he’s still not an all nba player… it’s just that Wenny is that good!!!
And the 12th pick in a loaded draft?
Just bc Chet got linked by Wendy doesn’t mean he’s still not an all nba player… it’s just that Wenny is that good!!!
And the 12th pick in a loaded draft?
Posted on 6/2/26 at 6:08 am to bstaceyau19
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Oh, and Bill Simmons is a glorified fan who makes shite up, so take nothing out of what he says.
You think a guy who been on a “big” NBA platform for like 30 years, doesn’t have one or two contacts inside the NBA….
Posted on 6/2/26 at 7:08 am to xBirdx
Chet to me is a taller Evan Mobley.
They're the ultimate Robin, never batman - it shows when they come to the playoffs.
Compared to say Davis (when he's healthy) or Kat, they show you they're batman. You have to be okay with that tradeoff if you're going after chet.
They're the ultimate Robin, never batman - it shows when they come to the playoffs.
Compared to say Davis (when he's healthy) or Kat, they show you they're batman. You have to be okay with that tradeoff if you're going after chet.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 8:15 am to brmark70816
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He's not a top 100 player
Alright, this is obvious stretching it
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:36 am to Soggymoss
Trey will never be worth more than what he is now. We were two years late trading BI, and the window has all but closed on Williamson.
For the right return (including a lottery pick this year) we should move 3M3.
DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
For the right return (including a lottery pick this year) we should move 3M3.
DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:00 am to brmark70816
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It makes no sense that you believe any of what you are saying. 3 1sts for Zion? That's just crazy.
I would absolutely love to know your value for Z in a trade. (3) 1sts can mean very different things. It may take (3) 1st to trade for #5. So the value of 3 1dt could be (1) 1st. We could also get offered (4) #30 picks and wouldn't take it. So that would be (4) 1st for Zion that we don't take.
The value for Zion is undeniablly "3 1sts". What value the first are is what matters.
(2) mid 1st and a late 1st is pretty fair, 1 good first is fair.
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Also? The Warriors don't have the cap space for Jones. They have to include a player(s). They aren't blowing all their assets for Jones.
By "assets" do you mean De Anthony Melton, Moses Moody, and Gary Payton lol? Or do you mean cap space from a Draymond trade? They'd rather Herb than any of the 4 and those 4 combined have triple Herb's salary. They have also been openly obsessed with Herb and Trey so not sure where your opinion is coming from.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:28 pm to htran90
Chet played unbelievably soft in the WCF, but with that said it’s pretty rare to get a mobile 7 footer who can shoot and is an elite defender. I would trade Murphy for him in a heart beat. He would be the perfect fit next to Queen
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:39 pm to Dantheman504
You just seem to totally disregard player salary in your evaluations. Zion makes over 40M a year. If it wasn't so easy to possibly cancel, it would be a horrible contact. Teams aren't trading a cost controlled rookie scale starter for Zion and eating the extra 30M+.
For example, If we called Memphis and offered them Zion for Coward straight up, would they do it? This assumes they have the space to take his salary..
The answer is no. Because Zions salary locks them in to a direction they don't want to go, and Coward still has potential. This goes for a ton of other players.
We literally almost cut Zion last summer. No one is offering us anything right now. Maybe at the deadline we can draw up some interest. But that's not happening right now. Can you literally find anybody else floating projected trades where Zion brings back multiple 1sts?
For example, If we called Memphis and offered them Zion for Coward straight up, would they do it? This assumes they have the space to take his salary..
The answer is no. Because Zions salary locks them in to a direction they don't want to go, and Coward still has potential. This goes for a ton of other players.
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So that would be (4) 1st for Zion that we don't take.
We literally almost cut Zion last summer. No one is offering us anything right now. Maybe at the deadline we can draw up some interest. But that's not happening right now. Can you literally find anybody else floating projected trades where Zion brings back multiple 1sts?
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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Alright, this is obvious stretching it
Complex did an end of the season player rankings.
Zion rose to spot #48 by the end of the year. One spot behind *checks notes* Nickeil Alexander-Walker.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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One spot behind *checks notes* Nickeil Alexander-Walker.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:20 pm to brmark70816
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You just seem to totally disregard player salary in your evaluations. Zion makes over 40M a year. If it wasn't so easy to possibly cancel, it would be a horrible contact. Teams aren't trading a cost controlled rookie scale starter for Zion and eating the extra 30M+.
No one mentioned a cost controlled rookie and not a single rookie on those teams going out is worth a shite compared to Z. At this exact moment teams are 5x more worried about his injury/ playing status than his pay. The 5 teams I mentioned either have unlimited cap space or have the assets to do the trade without costing any "assets".
CHI/ Nets legit have 100 mil cap space. Kings/ Jazz/ Pistons have plenty assets to send out. That's absolutely not a concern or thought. On top of that this team would be immediately extending him.
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The answer is no. Because Zions salary locks them in to a direction they don't want to go,
This might be the dumbest shite I've seen. Did you just take an example of a team where he doesn't fit or make sense and then say "see they'd say no because he doesn't fit". Well no shite.
Give me an argument based on the Nets, Bulls, Piston, Kings, Jazz. Not an argument of simply "they won't do it" but an argument of assets, salary, cap space, etch. There is no argument for those teams.
They have openly wanted to do it, have the space, have the assets, and are desperate for ticket sales or relevance.
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 1:43 pm
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