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re: Bill Simmons says TMIII is assumed to get traded in the next 3 weeks,OKC & Boston suitors
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:08 am to brmark70816
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:08 am to brmark70816
My dislike for Chet aside, he is a good player and his body has held up a lot better than I had anticipated to this point. I do think he'd be a good fit next to queen and if you're saying we can go on to trade Poole, Murray and Zion for young pieces and picks, then I wouldn't be as down on the idea.
My gut still does tell me that he's one bad fall away from a career altering injury though and his contract is such that he'll be making $50M+ in a few years. That combination scares me. I would just prefer something that gets us more future 1st round picks down the line while taking on more low risk contracts that expire sooner. If that is possible
It also doesn't help that the Spurs seem on track to dominate the league for the next decade
My gut still does tell me that he's one bad fall away from a career altering injury though and his contract is such that he'll be making $50M+ in a few years. That combination scares me. I would just prefer something that gets us more future 1st round picks down the line while taking on more low risk contracts that expire sooner. If that is possible
It also doesn't help that the Spurs seem on track to dominate the league for the next decade
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:18 am to SCLSUMuddogs
To me, trading Trey and NOT trading Zion, Dejounte, Herb, etc makes very little sense.
Trey is a very good young player on a great contract that fits really well with Zion, and we still haven't won shite.
So unless you're trading for vets or young players that you also think fit well with Zion to win now...it makes no sense.
If you're trading Trey, you really should be looking at deals for Zion and Dejounte too
Trey is a very good young player on a great contract that fits really well with Zion, and we still haven't won shite.
So unless you're trading for vets or young players that you also think fit well with Zion to win now...it makes no sense.
If you're trading Trey, you really should be looking at deals for Zion and Dejounte too
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trey is a bit better than a role player.
Trey is a bit better than most role players, but still a role player.
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We have a flawed team, a prospect who neve became a superstar, and terrible coaching, but y'all use this to devalue our players
I'm not devaluing Trey. I am simply properly identifying the type of player he is. For some reason you equate that to me devaluing him.
There's a reason pretty much every team in the league wants Trey, as well as Herb. They have tons of value, and that is largely b/c they are being compensated at a level that is consistent with their production as a role player. If Trey was making $40M/yr like OG or Bane, then there wouldn't be multiple playoff teams banging down our door to get him. Trey is right there with OG and Bane, and both of them are a bit better than him (OG the much better defender and Bane a better scorer), but Trey's value in a trade should be higher than both of those guys recent trades b/c Trey is making $27M/yr instead of $40M/yr while giving similar production on the court.
OG was traded for RJ Barrett and Quickly
Bane was traded for Cole Anthony, KCP, and 4 unprotected firsts, one of which was #16 last year, and this years pick is #16 as well.
Chet and #17 for Trey is fair value to me, although i doubt Sam Presti feels that way. Chet is making $41M/yr next year, and it increases by about $3M/yr for the next 5 years. that's way too much for him compared to what Trey gives a team at his salary.
There's no way OKC is going to pay SGA/JWilliams/Chet all $40M/yr, and then bring back Hartenstein at $30M. And SGA's salary rockets to $60M after next year.
Any other trade of Trey better have us getting back at least 4 firsts, and 1 of them better be top 16 this year.
I think it's stupid to be trading Trey though. Trade Zion instead.
I also think it's interesting that the reports are he'll be traded in the next 3 weeks, meaning its a trade that's wanting to be done before this fiscal nba season ends. There's obviously specific teams with salary issues next year that would make the trade more difficult, so they are wanting to get it done this year.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:59 am to TeddyPadillac
I'd love to trade Zion. Honestly, return isn't even that important at this point. He's maxed out and we won't go anywhere with him.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:05 am to ghost2most
What we SHOULD be doing is tearing it down to build around Fears/Queen. Everyone on the table and get the best deals you can without taking on any terrible contracts, unless a team compensates you for taking on contracts. Young players, picks etc
But we are not gonna do that
But we are not gonna do that
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:11 am to Fun Bunch
If I'm the Pels FO I'm trying to get Chet and the 12th pick from OKC
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
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Everyone on the table and get the best deals you can without taking on any terrible contracts, unless a team compensates you for taking on contracts.
If you're rebuilding, then you would absolutely want to take on bad contracts if it means you get more assets b/c you're taking on the bad contract.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:40 am to brmark70816
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With how bad Holmgren was, his value is low. But he would be a great fit next to Queen. If we traded Murphy and Jones to OKC, I think we could get Holmgren and at least one 1st (#12 of 17). That just fixes a lot of our issues right away.
What
TM3 and Herb for Chet AND a first? Is that a joke? OKC is going to trade the 23 year old who was just 2nd in the defensive player of the year voting, an all star and 3rd team all nba for TM3 simply because he had a bad series versus Wemby?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 12:17 pm to iwyLSUiwy
If we trade Trey and keep fat boy, I’m out. This franchise isn’t serious.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 12:29 pm to Soggymoss
I have no issue with trading Trey. Just as long as Herb, DJ, and Zion are right behind him.
I don't want to trade Trey/ Herb for J Brown, at that point just take the 8+ 1sts and trade all 4 separately.
If we "run it back" it needs to be WITH Trey/ DJ and without Zion/ Herb.
I don't want to trade Trey/ Herb for J Brown, at that point just take the 8+ 1sts and trade all 4 separately.
If we "run it back" it needs to be WITH Trey/ DJ and without Zion/ Herb.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 12:31 pm to Dantheman504
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have no issue with trading Trey. Just as long as Herb, DJ, and Zion are right behind him.
Who exactly do you intend to play next season under this scenario?
Oh, and Bill Simmons is a glorified fan who makes shite up, so take nothing out of what he says.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 12:40 pm to bstaceyau19
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Who exactly do you intend to play next season under this scenario?
If you trade all 4?
Fears
26' Draft
Bey
Queen
Missi
You aren't trying to be good in this scenario... You'd be adding 8+ draft picks plus your own the next 5 years. So your answer would be the 12 1st rd picks we take over the next 5 years.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 1:05 pm to Soggymoss
Definitely talking season
Bill doesn't even have sources. He just mooches off russilos info.
With that being said id do everything possible to drive the value up as much as possible and go after casan Wallace and filler or make the celtics include brown
Theres no way in hell theyre trading chet for trey. Not without us giving substantially more.
Bill doesn't even have sources. He just mooches off russilos info.
With that being said id do everything possible to drive the value up as much as possible and go after casan Wallace and filler or make the celtics include brown
Theres no way in hell theyre trading chet for trey. Not without us giving substantially more.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 1:14 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Theres no way in hell theyre trading chet for trey. Not without us giving substantially more.
This is fair. I'm just trying to gauge values. It seems that Murphy is the hot name right now, with a great contract. Holmgren's value might have taken a hit, and he's going to make almost double Murphy. But maybe you are right. I just think they might be close. I threw in the #12 or #17 as comp for Jones. OKC don't need both picks and we would have to include someone like Jones to make the money close.
The weirdest reaction to this is everyone bringing up Zion or other players on the team, not associated with the trade. We can't do everybody all at once. You want to trade 4-5 guys, it's probably going to be multiple trades. But it has to start with someone.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 1:18 pm to brmark70816
I think it'd take two first plus trey and Herb and maybe you can get that 17th pick this year and chet.
Maaaaybe
Maaaaybe
Posted on 6/1/26 at 1:42 pm to whatiknowsofar
Even if the value of say Trey/Herb and Chet were even, who would you trust to get the better of the trade, Presti or Dumars?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 1:48 pm to Fun Bunch
Clearly presti. That's why I think two firsts may not even get it done with them attached
Posted on 6/1/26 at 2:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
We’ve hit on one 1st round pick since CP3 and now we’re going to ship him out? He’s also on a team friendly contract. Make it make sense?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 2:24 pm to Soggymoss
Cason wallace better be part of that deal.
I'll take ajay mitchell too.
I'll take ajay mitchell too.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 2:30 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't want to trade Trey/ Herb for J Brown, at that point just take the 8+ 1sts and trade all 4 separately.
Why would the Celtics do this trade?
Jaylen brown is 10 times the player trey is. And Herb Jones doesn't move the needle that much.
I'd be shocked if the Celtics trade jaylen brown anyway.
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