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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming

Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:23 am to
Posted by Crimson K
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:23 am to
Sammy, I mean this worth the best of intent. You are either unwilling or unable to engage in a critical discussion as you are missing the point entirely. The actress is not the issue. Her character being a woman and a boack woman that is the child of lesbians at that will dictate her story. She doesn’t have to be an SJW in the show for that to be true. You are correct in that if she were white, Asian or some alien species that would not matter because of the other social markers.

As far as the space lesbians go, gain, it’s not why they are oppressed, but the very fact that they are lesbians requiring them to be so. They have to be victimized by society, but a the same time wise and spiritual, so the Jedi have to be bad in comparison. I would bet the showrunners and writers were shocked at how poorly the ascension ceremony was received. They couldn’t see how bad it was because of who they had doing it.

As an aside, I’m all for questioning the Jedi, That could be a really good show because their order can’t help but have members who fall. Also, The detachment they demand and how it isolates them from society would be a great thing to delve into.

Mae gets worked you say, yet she always comes out on top or escapes. She is successful in stupid ways because her character must win in her vengeance and then be redeemed with little or no consequence to her previous actions. She doesn’t learn anything or become convinced of anything. She self realizes because she is who she is. It seems inevitable that the 2 sisters will team up to beat the big bad. The Jedi will realize that they misjudged them and that maybe the twins course is the better way in fact.

Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15971 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:24 am to
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comes to an Acolyte discussion thread

upset people are discussing the acolyte.


There's very little actual discussion of The Acolyte going on in this thread
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:32 am to
How is this thread now 81 pages? Crazy.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:40 am to
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How is this thread now 81 pages? Crazy.

because grown men are very concerned with/offended by the opinions of a 25 year old girl.

honestly, that's the only reason.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 11:40 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79430 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:43 am to
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Yeah, it should be way higher than half, like 95%.


Or people could go post about how they don’t watch it and hate it in the 3 other threads in the 1st page that are just for that.
Posted by LSUPERMAN
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Member since Aug 2007
3028 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:45 am to
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because grown men are very concerned with/offended by the opinions of a 25 year old girl.

honestly, that's the only reason.


You sure about that? Maybe the last 5 or 6 but you might want to go start from the beginning there, ma'am.
Posted by Hayekian serf
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Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:45 am to
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That character could be white or asian or hispanic and i don’t think it would make the show any better or worse.


Like the entire show, if her character were better written it would make a difference.

This show is beyond stupid. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a big production, although it doesn’t look like 180 million, where characters will contradict themselves in the same scene or the very next scene so often.

Dave Filoni has no balls or is a fraud.

House of the Dragon was made for roughly the same budget.

Disney is a trash heap of a studio. Star Wars is dead and I’m not sure it can ever come back.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:48 am to
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I would love to discuss the show.


what's stopping you?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:51 am to
I talk about the show with whoever wants to talk about it.

I just talk about everything else too.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 11:52 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:55 am to
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it’s a direct thing. “they shoehorned in diverse people”

They shoehorned diverse people for the purpose of "diversity"

We are talking about different things.

House of the Dragon has a diverse cast. The Force Awakens had a diverse cast.

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Like I said, I think this show is different than making the Little Mermaid black.
I mean in that specific sense it is, but in the sense that Ariel was chosen for her race to be a marketing point, they are very similar.

Before the Acolyte released, all the marketing material FROM DISNEY centered around the identity of the cast and showrunner. Every interview the cast and showrunner gave were about identity.

When people didn't like the show, Amandla made a cringe-tastic music video that centered on, you guessed it, her identity.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:04 pm to
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I talk about the show with whoever wants to talk about it.
It seemed you were complaining about your inability to engage in such.

As far as the show goes, there are 2 positives:

1) The opening fight was ok

2) Sol is decent

Everything else has been almost intentionally bad. Everything. Effects are bad, cinematography after episode 1 is bad. almost no action. Mundi, lol.

Wookie Jedi killed off screen after doing nothing at all. The pacing is drawn out. The dialog seems like it is written by a goth teen who thinks she is a poet. The setting of the High Republic has been wasted, as there has been ZERO WORLD BUILDING AT ALL. Nobody on the show seems to understand Jedi, The Force, or the Universe about which they are writing. Some writers admitting they have never watched Star Wars

What are the redeeming factors to you?

What have you liked about the show so far, that makes you want to defend it's $180 million inclusion into the franchise?
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15498 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:12 pm to
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$180 million inclusion into the franchise?


Friendly reminder that this show had 2X the budget of Kenobi, which featured two of the most famous characters in the history of film
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79430 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:27 pm to
I have likes the fight scenes. I thoufht the one with Sol was better than the Indarra one.

to me it makes so much sense for the jedi to use the force more when they fight. especially considering neither has wanted to kill Mae.

I like Sol. I think he’s well acted. I think Manny Jacinto is doing a good job with his character.

to me I havent had an issue with the effects. I am sure you can show me some stills that are wonky but nothing that looked so bad it takes me out of the show.

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Nobody on the show seems to understand Jedi, The Force, or the Universe about which they are writing.


I don’t agree with this fully.

I am open to specific examples but the discussion thus far has been that the show changes the understanding of the force and ruins it with all of the thread stuff. But in the show it is presented as a fridge cults interpretation if the force that’s in show world is admitted to be different than the Jedi’s. If you think they’re wrong, well so does every jedi in the show.

I agree with you on pacing.

This is a different show than I feel like i was pitched. It was pitched as this jedi noir murder mystery and we know exactly who committed every murder almost as soon as they happen.

And I came i’m excited about that concept because on liked Russian Doll which was a really well done mystery show.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34164 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:27 pm to
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Friendly reminder that this show had 2X the budget of Kenobi, which featured two of the most famous characters in the history of film



Will never ever forgive them for this. At least the final fight was good. But that was about it. Reva was a horribly written character and shoehorned in.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
26721 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Friendly reminder that this show had 2X the budget of Kenobi, which featured two of the most famous characters in the history of film



And it also sucked.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79430 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:33 pm to
idk if a 300m budget would have saved kenobi,

we want a more realistic sand work for him to cut up for 4 episodes?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70714 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:35 pm to
Disney is trash, they don’t care about Star Wars. If they wanted their universe to be successful it would’ve been easy as pie to do. Star Wars is loved because of its main characters. The universe is cool but it’s about Han, Luke and Leia. Take those 3, build the ST around them, finish that story. Next you take your remaining main characters and start the streaming stuff there, Obi-Wan and Vader. Develop other characters within those stories and branch out from there. It’s not rocket science but this is about messaging and nothing more so Disney isn’t going to turn this around, it’s going to get worse.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79430 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:41 pm to
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The universe is cool but it’s about Han, Luke and Leia. Take those 3, build the ST around them, finish that story.


I think it’s what every SW fan has wanted since ROTJ.

We missed the window for that unless we recast. which is its own can of worms.

i don’t think it’s a coincidence that the best SW shows have been ones with new characters. We’re we don’t have to worry about a beloved characters legacy.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70714 posts
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:46 pm to
Ehh.. ok so R1, Andor and I’ll give you early Mando as the post HLL good shows. R1 is just a prologue to the OT, Andor is a prologue to R1 and Mando is really the Boba Fett show only altered for continuity purposes. So they’re all OT stories.
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