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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:00 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:00 am to SammyTiger
I am starting to think I have given you too much credit, intellectually.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:10 am to Roaad
it’s a direct thing. “they shoehorned in diverse people”
None of these characters required any specific race. So we’re talking about external factors.
Like I said, I think this show is different than making the Little Mermaid black.
None of these characters required any specific race. So we’re talking about external factors.
Like I said, I think this show is different than making the Little Mermaid black.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:13 am to Tigers2010
This is the only data that's been released so far
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‘The Acolyte’ Reaches 11.1 Million Views in Five Days, Nearly 3 Million Short of ‘Ahsoka’ Debut
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:27 am to Corinthians420
Do you believe that there is a permanent barrier between pop-culture and the rest of society? Or government and business?
There are very intentional and overt forces working to influence thoughts and ideas as these concepts intermingle back-and-forth. This might explain why you think the way you do. existing with the belief that what happens over there has zero impact with the rest of society.
There are very intentional and overt forces working to influence thoughts and ideas as these concepts intermingle back-and-forth. This might explain why you think the way you do. existing with the belief that what happens over there has zero impact with the rest of society.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:04 am to SouthEasternKaiju
why do i need a youtuber’s commentary?
I watch the show.
I can form my own opinions on the quality of it.
I watch the show.
I can form my own opinions on the quality of it.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:05 am to SammyTiger
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it’s a direct thing. “they shoehorned in diverse people” None of these characters required any specific race. So we’re talking about external factors
It’s characters, not people. If a character is black and well written, Asian and well written, or dare I say it gay and well written, so be it. If there is conscious effort to exclude, not to serve story, but to serve agenda, that is bad writing.
Something like demanding a certain number of gay, black, white, religious, etc. storylines means you are writing for soemthing besides making a good narrative. Story has to bend to who the character is relative to the real world views of showrunners.
To give examples: Nick Fury is black, but well written and cast as a loved actor and no one bats an eye. Falcon was a good character that inherits the Captain America mantle and all of a sudden sucks because he was written with real world politics and racial identity in mind. We get absolute nonsense like the climax of his show being a speech to the government saying “Do better.”
The Acolyte made space lesbians, who naturally have to be oppressed. The main character is a diminutive black girl, but she naturally has to be a girl boss. Despite murdering 2 Jedi, she has to make a turn because…well because …no good reason, bur he character demands it As a kid, she threatened to murder her sister to one would assume to show her darker tendencies, but that back story just gets tossed aside.
This kind of position relative to writing makes shows bad. Reva could have been an amazingly good character, but the story couldn’t allow for it. Boba Fett should have been Mando with a more flexible moral system, which could have been absolutely terrific , but the writing couldn’t go that way. Why?
Rather than saying shoe-horned, maybe a better term would be boxed in. Either way, the story serves agenda more than narrative. You can continue to misrepresent this as hating groups or being offended by their presence, but that is the epitome of simple minded straw man thinking. .
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:15 am to SammyTiger
Amandla isn’t going to frick you, dude. She hates white people and all your white guilt won’t change that.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:19 am to Crimson K
There are literal quotas in place for race and gender and sexual orientation. We know these quotas exist. But still, we have people here actually defending putting quotas on art (or what is supposed to be art). It’s just amazing that any person with a brain could be ok with this quota and checkbox approach to creating. But leftists will never accept that their people have gone too far, so here we are.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:24 am to SammyTiger
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So you’re mad that the only white guy is Dean-Charles Chapman and his role isn’t big enough.
Fallout is a recent IP brought to screen with a female lead and a black lead. With women in positions of power. Pretty diverse cast. And that series feels very well accepted by the original fanbase because the did a great job sticking with canon providing satisfying Easter eggs for the original fanbase while creating a compelling and well written story to lure in more fans to the show. I've tried to watch the new series they have been putting out in the SW universe but I've not made it past the 2nd episode of any of the new IPs they've put out since Mandalorian. The storylines are just not very compelling to me as an outsider with little knowledge of the IP.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:31 am to DeoreDX
of all the disney star wars shows I have watched the Mandalorian is the only one that really caught my attention episode 1.
but Walter Coggins is also a lead in Fallout.
They all start super slow which is a genuine critique.
but Walter Coggins is also a lead in Fallout.
They all start super slow which is a genuine critique.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:38 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Do you believe that there is a permanent barrier between pop-culture and the rest of society? Or government and business?
Every new display of leftist trash is met with a shrug and a “why do you even care bro?” reply. As if everything happens in a vacuum.
Meanwhile, we are getting trannies in sports and women being eligible for the draft and a generation of black kids who have been convinced they’re still in bondage to white people. Star Wars is just a small symptom.
I mean, doesn’t the fact that this rich young actress has openly declared she hates whites and feels like a slave bother anyone? This is what the leftist culture is bringing us. SammyTiger et al, don’t her lyrics bother you just a little? You think this is healthy?
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:43 am to Crimson K
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It’s characters, not people. If a character is black and well written, Asian and well written, or dare I say it gay and well written, so be it. If there is conscious effort to exclude, not to serve story, but to serve agenda, that is bad writing.
Something like demanding a certain number of gay, black, white, religious, etc. storylines means you are writing for soemthing besides making a good narrative. Story has to bend to who the character is relative to the real world views of showrunners.
To give examples: Nick Fury is black, but well written and cast as a loved actor and no one bats an eye. Falcon was a good character that inherits the Captain America mantle and all of a sudden sucks because he was written with real world politics and racial identity in mind. We get absolute nonsense like the climax of his show being a speech to the government saying “Do better.”
The Acolyte made space lesbians, who naturally have to be oppressed. The main character is a diminutive black girl, but she naturally has to be a girl boss. Despite murdering 2 Jedi, she has to make a turn because…well because …no good reason, bur he character demands it As a kid, she threatened to murder her sister to one would assume to show her darker tendencies, but that back story just gets tossed aside.
This kind of position relative to writing makes shows bad. Reva could have been an amazingly good character, but the story couldn’t allow for it. Boba Fett should have been Mando with a more flexible moral system, which could have been absolutely terrific , but the writing couldn’t go that way. Why?
Rather than saying shoe-horned, maybe a better term would be boxed in. Either way, the story serves agenda more than narrative. You can continue to misrepresent this as hating groups or being offended by their presence, but that is the epitome of simple minded straw man thinking. .
Bill Shakespeare couldnt have said it better.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:44 am to DeoreDX
Fallout is a great example. Thanks for bringing it up. The main characters were allowed to fail, forced to learn things and grow, and they have arcs as they are forced to adapt to the world around them. Their actions are not dictated by anything but their story. When they do something stupid, it is because they don’t understand very thing all the time, and they have to learn from mistakes, not because they serve a message outside their show.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:48 am to Crimson K
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It’s characters, not people. If a character is black and well written, Asian and well written, or dare I say it gay and well written, so be it. If there is conscious effort to exclude, not to serve story, but to serve agenda, that is bad writing.
That’s the disconnect here though.
Amandla is a hardcore SJW. I get she’s super annoying. Thats not the main focus of her character.
That character could be white or asian or hispanic and i don’t think it would make the show any better or worse.
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The Acolyte made space lesbians, who naturally have to be oppressed.
but they aren’t oppressed because they’re lesbians. They’re oppressed because they aren’t jedi. And the jedi are an extremely diverse group. The Jedi trying to control who teaches the force has been discussed throughout the EU. The Nightsisters were started by an exiled jedi.
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The main character is a diminutive black girl, but she naturally has to be a girl boss.
Sol works Mae in their fight. Trinity works Mae. She only gets the upper hand when she distracts her by throwing a knife at a civilian. Mae can’t break Master Torbun force mediation barrier. Neither Mae nor Osha have been shown to be “girlbosses”
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
Good lord do yall ever get tired of going back and forth about this?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:53 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:55 am to iwyLSUiwy
comes to an Acolyte discussion thread
upset people are discussing the acolyte.
upset people are discussing the acolyte.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:03 am to SammyTiger
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comes to an Acolyte discussion thread
upset people are discussing the acolyte.
Yea because the majority of this thread has definitely been a discussion about the show. 80 pages of back and forth of trying to prove which poster is the biggest idiot. This board would be so much better if just a few of yall would be banned.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:06 am to iwyLSUiwy
I would love to discuss the show.
Half the people in here don’t watch it.
Half the people in here don’t watch it.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:10 am to SammyTiger
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Half the people in here don’t watch it.
Yeah, it should be way higher than half, like 95%.
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