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re: Marvel's upcoming movie Agatha “is the gayest project Marvel has ever done”

Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:48 am to
Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:48 am to
Oh sssssssstop it Sssssssssammy Raaaaawwwrrrer.


Let us know your thoughts after you’ve seen it. There has to be one person here interested in your opinion of the show and if it was gay enough.

This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 6:51 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:26 am to
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I always post over and over and over again about things I don't care about.


oh I care about bigots and pos.

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Actually, I'm not gutless about what I do care about.


nah you probably say shite like “I dont hate gays but…”

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:38 am to
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dont fight back,

Where did I say that?

I clearly said

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Just let them die in silence.


I'm just removing the virtue signaling that can be spun to try to explain the failure.

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just turn a blind eye and ignore the collapse of decency

I gave a more rational path for their failure that they have to own themselves. What are you babbling about?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:40 am to
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Being an ostrich with head in the sand is how we got here.

"Being an ostrich with head in the sand' does not describe any time recently, and within that time of internet outrate, these garbage-woke creations have only increased.

So not only did you not correctly describe reality, you've also associated the wrong result to that fake reality.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:50 am to
I really think that all female Ghostbusters remake gave Hollywood the perfect playbook for projects they know are bad; promote the project on its diversity rather than it's content. Now all the narrative shifts and studios have an escape goat to blame low quarterly returns on.

Both sides play their part perfectly. After all, do you really think someone like Drinker would ever watch Agatha All Along on his own? Absolutely not. But he has to for his YouTube channel. He has to watch it and tell everyone how it is woke garbage and feed into the internet discord.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:57 am to
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I'm just removing the virtue signaling that can be spun to try to explain the failure.


but that’s the point.

they don’t want it to fail because it’s bad. they want it to fail because they hate gays.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
13264 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:12 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:28 am to
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promote the project on its diversity rather than it's content. Now all the narrative shifts and studios have an escape goat to blame low quarterly returns on.


Correct.

And the online anti-woke ragesphere falls for it every time.

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do you really think someone like Drinker would ever watch Agatha All Along on his own? Absolutely not.

Correct.

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But he has to for his YouTube channel. He has to watch it and tell everyone how it is woke garbage and feed into the internet discord.

It's a good example of how content creators become soulless slaves to overly emotional fan reactions to keep the views/money flowing.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:33 am to
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It's a good example of how content creators become soulless slaves to overly emotional fan reactions to keep the views/money flowing

One of the biggest breakthroughs in media the past 10 years. The Weather Channel is a great example
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:39 am to
If you ever listen to one of those "why I"m retiring from Youtube" videos, it's pretty much the same.

You either realize it, take the bag, and retire, or you end up like Rekieta Law

Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:39 am to
I love watching the wokies squirm and complain because people are fed up with their shitte movies.

It's beautiful.


Notice none of the wokies in here are talking about how they can make the movies better.
they can only say "It's so and so's fault". "The bigots won't watch". "you just hate gays".
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 8:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:51 am to
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I love watching the wokies squirm and complain because people are fed up with their shitte movies.


Imagine watching them complain when...

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they can only say "It's so and so's fault". "The bigots won't watch". "you just hate gays".


...isn't an option for them to use.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47178 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:56 am to
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Woke themes are fine, if it is organic and well written.


Kicker is that nothing ‘woke’ is authentic.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:15 am to
That's because people want to use the term woke only when it fits their narrative.

Deadpool should be called woke. It features a gay couple and they race swapped a major character. One of the other main side characters is a minority.

But we don't call it woke because it's good. There isn't an 8 page thread about how Ryan Reynolds is a leftist loon because he's likeable.

There is so many movies and TV shows we could look back on and call woke but we won't because we like the shows. Only stuff that is trash is woke garbage. How come we never seem to get multi page threads about all those shitty B tier movies that seem to take up 80% of Red boxes? We do that for every shitty movie or TV show released by Amazon or Disney.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47178 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Deadpool should be called woke. It features a gay couple and they race swapped a major character. One of the other main side characters is a minority


Ummm, no.

What gay couple is in Deadpool?
DP 2, DxW? Sure. But even so, a gay couple isn’t what makes anything ‘woke’, FFS.

Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:57 pm to
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That's because people want to use the term woke only when it fits their narrative.

Deadpool should be called woke. It features a gay couple and they race swapped a major character. One of the other main side characters is a minority.

But we don't call it woke because it's good. There isn't an 8 page thread about how Ryan Reynolds is a leftist loon because he's likeable.

There is so many movies and TV shows we could look back on and call woke but we won't because we like the shows. Only stuff that is trash is woke garbage. How come we never seem to get multi page threads about all those shitty B tier movies that seem to take up 80% of Red boxes? We do that for every shitty movie or TV show released by Amazon or Disney.

The Wire definitely fits in this. I recently started it and I was shocked at how highly regarded it is considering the baddest mofo on the block in season 1 is a flaming black guy.

If it was announced as releasing tomorrow people would shite on it as woke before even watching it
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:23 pm to
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gay couple isn’t what makes anything ‘woke’, 


No, being bad makes it woke. That's my whole point. I know I didn't put it in a YouTube video for you, but it's weird how if a show is bad and has a gay character in it, it's woke. When it's good and has a gay character suddenly that's not woke.

Why wouldn't Deadpool be considered woke? We have 3 movies to go off of at this point. We've seen the majority of the supporting cast is non-white characters. We've seen representation of different sexual orientations. We've seen race swapping. White males being the bad guy.

So what makes it not be considered woke other than being good?
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
78651 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:36 pm to
I think in general people think of woke as something that puts the message over the production. So, if it's something someone would enjoy, it's hard for it to be woke because they feel the production outpaced the message.

I haven't seen the third Deadpool yet, but the first two didn't seem to suffer from message over production. In my opinion.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
84011 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:50 pm to
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it's weird how if a show is bad and has a gay character in it, it's woke. When it's good and has a gay character suddenly that's not woke.
I already laid it out

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ham-fisted preachiness


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marginalized-identity-as-a-replacement-for-personality


These are the aspects of bad writing that takes something from being a bad show to being a bad woke show. Gays aren't even necessary for a show to be woke

Negasonic is gav, , ,but if you ask someone to describe her character, they would probably list 3 or 4 things before mentioning her sexuality.

Immutable characteristics should be the LEAST interesting thing about a character.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
84011 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:53 pm to
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The Wire definitely fits in this. I recently started it and I was shocked at how highly regarded it is considering the baddest mofo on the block in season 1 is a flaming black guy.

You think Omar is flaming?

Are you high? His boyfriend was flaming, but Omar was as straight-laced a gay as possible.

I always use the example of Will & Grace

Omar is a Will. . .dead BF was more a Jack


Or think Mitch/Cam
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