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re: Is it True Ellen Page will be Achilles in the new Odyssey?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:13 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:13 pm to Freauxzen
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If searching "The Odyssey" on AI brings up that Achilles is "a figure of myth who has has many faces depending on what story you are reading."
Searching The Odyssey on AI isn't going to bring up anything about Achilles, because he's barely in The Odyssey. You're bloviating.
And adapting The Iliad and depicting Achilles as all manner of different races and genders (to the extent that this dozens of times, which, come on) doesn't dilute the character, because what makes Achilles important is his freaking heel, and that he is a petulant bitch who spends most of the story actively refusing to fight. Everyone has heels, even trans people, and everyone is capable of being a petulant bitch who refuses to fight.
This board is yelling about Achilles as though the Brad Pitt version in Troy is the "classic" version of that character. That version has almost nothing to do with the Achilles in The Iliad. Our modern ideal of heroism has nothing to do with and is not present in the Homer poems. Achilles is a character in an ancient myth that you have now romanticized based on a rumored casting in a movie; he does not carry inherent cultural value.
Also, there is no stretch whatsoever with gay.
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:42 pm to Choupique19
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John Leguizamo
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I'm not allowed to see this movie.
This guy has repeatedly told me I'm not welcome to pay for his films.
Now, that is a story that the readers need to hear.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:44 pm to VoxDawg
No shite. What a total blunder, and I like Lupita as an actress.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:35 am to Godzilla jr
Achilles is dead and in Hell by the time The Odyssey takes place. Odysseus encounters his spirit while traveling through Hades. Maybe his punishment was to spend entirely reduced to a weak, feminine looking goblin, which would at least make the casting decision kind of make sense. As far as black Helen of Troy?
I got nothing.
I got nothing.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:57 am to Jay Are
You must be absolutely worn out having to constantly mount the ramparts to defend the unending stream of Hollywood retardery.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:07 am to SoFla Tideroller
Would it really be the Movie/TV Board anymore if there wasn't a shite take from Jay Are in the threads?
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:12 am to Centinel
Jay Are every time he sees Hollywood has inserted a black actor into a white character's role or a retconning a previously straight character into a pillow biter.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:28 am to Jay Are
quote:A symphony of ignorance and bitchfaggery. Damn, you're mad.
what makes Achilles important is his freaking heel, and that he is a petulant bitch who spends most of the story actively refusing to fight. Everyone has heels, even trans people, and everyone is capable of being a petulant bitch who refuses to fight.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 9:05 am
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:33 am to SoFla Tideroller
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You must be absolutely worn out having to constantly mount the ramparts to defend the unending stream of Hollywood retardery.
every time the latest Hollywood nonsense like this comes out and someone shares it on the board, i picture Jay Are as the Ben Affleck smoking meme, wearily preparing to pick up his shield and sword once again to defend his lady love.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:41 am to Jay Are
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Searching The Odyssey on AI isn't going to bring up anything about Achilles, because he's barely in The Odyssey. You're bloviating.
Acktually...
Dude, ignore the specifics of this, that's not the point.
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And adapting The Iliad and depicting Achilles as all manner of different races and genders (to the extent that this dozens of times, which, come on) doesn't dilute the character, because what makes Achilles important is his freaking heel, and that he is a petulant bitch who spends most of the story actively refusing to fight. Everyone has heels, even trans people, and everyone is capable of being a petulant bitch who refuses to fight.
Oh look, you missed the point. And I'm going to disagree that is only importance is his heel.
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This board is yelling about Achilles as though the Brad Pitt version in Troy is the "classic" version of that character. That version has almost nothing to do with the Achilles in The Iliad. Our modern ideal of heroism has nothing to do with and is not present in the Homer poems. Achilles is a character in an ancient myth that you have now romanticized based on a rumored casting in a movie; he does not carry inherent cultural value.
Oh look you missed the point - again. And to be clear things like an "Achilles heel" and the "Achilles tendon," etc. all pre-date Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt has little to do with the character, the heel, how culture has viewed and use the Achilles myth.
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Also, there is no stretch whatsoever with gay.
Except that modern "gay," and ancient forms of what you might call "gay," are like two different things. So yeah, there is a stretch. Ancient Greek soldiers weren't gay because they were "in love," or wanted to marry a man, or wanted to be women, or any of the stuff that we want to impose on it. It was a part of their process and culture. Now, we can argue about whether or not those reasons were valid, but culturally it had NOTHING to do with being in a monogamous relationship with another man. That wasn't the point.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:02 am to Napoleon
This is a stupid thing for them to do...but for those who are aware of the sections of Skyrioi by Euripides that have been found...
In order to keep Achilles safe from the war, Thetis hid him dressed as a princess at the court of Lycomedes, king of Skyros. There, Achilles lived among Lycomedes's daughters, under the name Pyrrha. He began a relationship with Lycomedes's daughter Deidamia, and fathered two sons, Neoptolemus and Oneiros.
So at least the thought of a cross-dressing Achilles wasn't a foreign concept to the ancient Greeks.
ETA...spelling correction
In order to keep Achilles safe from the war, Thetis hid him dressed as a princess at the court of Lycomedes, king of Skyros. There, Achilles lived among Lycomedes's daughters, under the name Pyrrha. He began a relationship with Lycomedes's daughter Deidamia, and fathered two sons, Neoptolemus and Oneiros.
So at least the thought of a cross-dressing Achilles wasn't a foreign concept to the ancient Greeks.
ETA...spelling correction
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:31 pm to Napoleon
HIS name is Elliot
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:15 pm to Cole Beer
HER name is Elliot
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:19 pm to Cole Beer
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HIS name is Elliot
She is not a male.
Now you can go back to your hentai gender swapping porn, but we are living in the real world here where people can’t magically swap bodies or sexes.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:42 pm to Freauxzen
quote:It's not even that significant. First of all, there was no such thing as 'the Greeks,' but rather hundreds of city states that spoke the same root language. In most of them, such relationships were illegal. Others are how you describe and none of them are gay utopias.
but culturally it had NOTHING to do with being in a monogamous relationship with another man. That wasn't the point.
Also, as I said on the last page, Homer says nothing about any kind of gay relationship between Achilles and Patroclus or anyone else. He describes Achilles' prowess with women, talks about his wife, his son and when Patroclus dies, Achilles weeps because he was never able to marry him off.
Modern academics just want everyone to be gay.
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