re: Is it True Ellen Page will be Achilles in the new Odyssey?

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To ask why you’d change a story like that besides the reasons I gave makes no sense? Again you have no answer and want to hit eject asap on that question. We know why so like I said, it’s what I expected from you.

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I literally answered your question. I don't know why you can't understand my very obvious answer.

If I had to guess, he did it because he simply wants to and can do it. Helen Fielding loved Pride and Prejudice but wanted to make a "loose" adaptation and that's how we got a zillion Bridget Jones Diary movies and went so far to cast Colin Firth the way she did.

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No you did not, you said I don’t know.

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Correct, I don't know why Christopher Nolan casts his movies the way he does.

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You dodged for obvious reasons.

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I didn't dodge. I gave you a direct answer. I do not know why he casts the way he does. Neither do you. You can make an educated guess, but unless you're him or you have a direct quote from him for why he has made the casting he has, you don't know either.

You're trying to play gotcha with a question that can't can be definitively answered by anyone here.

“ His interpretation is shaped by several distinct thematic and creative choices:

The Brutality of the Bronze Age: Nolan approaches the mythology as a harsh, visceral historical reality rather than a romanticized fairy tale. The Trojan War marks the end of an era, and Greece is portrayed as a traumatized society on the brink of a dark age.

Focus on Trauma and Time: Known for his fascination with temporal displacement and human memory, Nolan uses this epic to explore the heavy physical and psychological toll of a years-long journey. The story serves as an intimate look at how prolonged war and absence change a person.

Re-evaluating Female Agency: Following Wilson's translation, the film strips away romanticized euphemisms (such as "maids" being re-designated as "slaves") to emphasize the harsh social hierarchies of the time. Female characters, particularly Penelope, are portrayed with active intelligence, agency, and strategic cunning, rather than as purely passive figures.

Immersive Visual Style: Leaning heavily into his signature practical effects, Nolan eschews green screens, opting instead to shoot for months on real ocean waves to capture the primal terror and vastness of Odysseus's journey.

This modern, humanizing approach strips away the dust of antiquity to present Odysseus’s journey not just as a mythic adventure, but as a grueling tale of survival, trauma, and leadership.”


This film will still be amazing.

It’s the reason he’s utilizing the adaptation. Read

I think the casting in a lot of modern movies is dumb, but I also think it’s funny everyone is completely fine with an Anglo Saxon Englishman in Brad Pitt playing a legendary Greek

Y’all take it to a level that makes you look like massive hypocrites

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I am pretty sure Elliot Page will play Elpinor

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Wasn't there a rumor a while back that she/he might be playing Patroclus, who according to some sources was Achilles' lover?

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Re-evaluating Female Agency

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modern, humanizing approach strips away the dust of antiquity

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But we can't have orchestral scores because that's not historically accurate.

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Anglo Saxon Englishman in Brad Pitt playing a legendary Greek

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You seem to have a stereotypical understanding of the Greeks.

What the Greeks looked like.

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Yet nobody really cares.

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You sure about that?

Lotta folks off this board care.

Greeks, historians, fans of history and well made movies…it’s not hard to find.

Like actual Egyptians angry over black Cleopatra on Netflix.

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If your “Western culture” sensibility is threatened by Nolan’s casting in this movie, then it maybe wasn’t a very strong culture to begin with.

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Let's say after a few dozen more remakes of the Odyssey over the next few decades - comic books, books, movies, maybe a TV version, etc. - everybody decides, per usual, to cast Achilles as a girl, as "trans," (again trans do not exist, but whatever), as an Asian dude, as Gay, as a Black disabled trans gay man with ADHD, and on and on and on - and western culture loses the identity of who Achilles was. That the copious amounts of versions of Achilles just dilute him, his story, his innate value to culture, etc.


Does culture win or lose? Does Achilles still exist as as a cultural representation of anything at all? Or has he disappeared. If searching "The Odyssey" on AI brings up that Achilles is "a figure of myth who has has many faces depending on what story you are reading."

What's the end goal?

What is the value of any character if we disconnect them from SOME version of a centralized idea constantly. Over and over and over again?