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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:27 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:27 am to
thinking back at the season, now, makes me realize just how jumbled this season was

that finale was so disjointed b/c there are just too many storylines going on

the dorne storyline was just a complete mess and pointless. and it wasted so much time. should have just had jaime/bron get captured on the beach and ended up in the same place and saved about 30 minutes of screen time. the jail scene with bronn was absolutely pointless (even though people tried to claim it would be significant)

showing the brotherhood without banners and then abandoning it also just leaves this huge gaping loose end. i have this feeling they intervene with brienne/stannis for some reason.

if jon snow is dead, then that will add some economy b/c we won't have to waste time at the wall. however, if he is dead, then we wasted a LOT of time at the wall the past few seasons. with how much they've had to skimp on stories, that would be terrible in hindsight.

in KL, they really could have used some time to set up the popular uprising and support of the high sparrow. until last night they hadn't really established this at all. the long walk was the tool to show this, but it was just a bit ridiculous with what the show has told us. i know the books get into this more, but the show hasn't. the last time we saw the common people, they were in love with margery. they hated joff, too. so in a month, they turn on her and a better king? ridiculous

arya's storyline was done pretty well

dany's story is the same old shite. the hodors are all convinced she just got a bigger army. that seems a bit optimistic. why do we think that those dothraki aren't going to take her as a hostage? why would they follow her? her khalesar (what's left of it) is at mereen. she never really had one, either, as the real one abandonned her when drogo died.

they need to clean shite up and become much more efficient. they need some deaths and consolidations
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:27 am to
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showing the brotherhood without banners and then abandoning it also just leaves this huge gaping loose end. i have this feeling they intervene with brienne/stannis for some reason.


I agree about this point. The plotline in the Riverlands was one of the most interesting parts of the story and they have almost completely written it out by sending Jamie to Dorne and Brienne to Winterfell. I feel like the Riverlands plot kind of ties a lot of things together and we totally miss out on that stuff.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:33 am to
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They don't show Stannis getting a sword to the face though... so he can't be dead.

That's what we all said about the Hound at the end of last season, but at this point, I'm pretty sure its safe to say that he's dead.


Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:37 am to
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that finale was so disjointed


OMG you are the worst person
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:00 am to
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in KL, they really could have used some time to set up the popular uprising and support of the high sparrow. until last night they hadn't really established this at all. the long walk was the tool to show this, but it was just a bit ridiculous with what the show has told us. i know the books get into this more, but the show hasn't. the last time we saw the common people, they were in love with margery. they hated joff, too. so in a month, they turn on her and a better king? ridiculous


It's more a reflection of how much people hate the queen rather than the church's power. The church is powerful don't get me wrong but I think the walk has more to do with poors wanting to toss shite at the most smug count of all the cunty high Born
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:03 am to
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I agree about this point. The plotline in the Riverlands was one of the most interesting parts of the story and they have almost completely written it out by sending Jamie to Dorne and Brienne to Winterfell. I feel like the Riverlands plot kind of ties a lot of things together and we totally miss out on that stuff.


100% I am fine the Sansa going back to winterfell but I hate how they made her a victim. She should have been working behind the scenes fricking the boltons shite up. They really ruined her arc
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:31 am to
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It's more a reflection of how much people hate the queen rather than the church's power.

that is the church's power, though

otherwise, cersei/margery would have been busted out with the quickness and the high sparrow and his flock would be slaughtered by real soldiers
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:42 am to
My point is they could not give a frick about the church the day before for the most part. However, since today they get to toss shite on a high born they will jump in on it.

It's the mob mentality at work
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:43 pm to
Damn it looked like a much bigger disparity than that


Stannis was only at like 1/3 strength. He could've wrecked shop if he didn't get abandoned
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 2:03 pm to
Who was holding Dragonstone?
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 2:23 pm to
That is a major plot hole that will need to be addressed, what happens to Storm's End & Dragonstone? Stannis' forces hold both.



However in the book(Won't happen on the show) Cersi sent Loras(not arrested) to take Dragonstone, he does. But is severely injuried, fate unknown. This was when Stannis was at the Wall.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 2:29 pm to
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100% I am fine the Sansa going back to winterfell but I hate how they made her a victim. She should have been working behind the scenes fricking the boltons shite up. They really ruined her arc


Sansa isn't wily enough. She understands right/wrong but her mind just doesn't work into the areas of political intrigue (with the way she has developed she will either learn it or die soon, imo).
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:50 pm to
HOLY shite JON SNOW DIED. FML


just watched


Sorry late to this party.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:52 pm to
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HOLY shite JON SNOW DIED. FML



Did he?
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:57 pm to
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Do you believe Longclaw will become The Lightbringer?
No, and it's not Dawn either. Lightbringer has certain qualities that neither of those swords possess.

I think LB is lost and someone will find it. I don't think an existing sword will transform into it. That would be kind of gay.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:06 pm to
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100% I am fine the Sansa going back to winterfell but I hate how they made her a victim. She should have been working behind the scenes fricking the boltons shite up. They really ruined her arc


How so? Her book arc was nothing. Her show arc was one of a helpless victim. It seems consistent to me.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:17 pm to
I will say this about the finale.

If Jon is actually dead. Then his entire arc is him getting the wildlings across the wall.

Because that is the only thing he accomplished.

This makes his story arc the most pointless of all the "major deaths".

If Jon is resurrected, he is free from his life oath. And the ramifications of that could be game changing

But if he is dead for good, his character was the most pointless POV character.
Posted by Napoleon
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:21 pm to
I still don't see a reader "melt". Read the whole thing.
If anything I'm only upset because the show spoiled the books, but oh well.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:24 pm to
I am just convinced the final episode is a battle between others and men+some dragons. Think you got a chance but night king kills everyone.

We get to see Sansa s hoo has too
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