re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet

Literally all her advisors did was advise her not to just burn everything to the ground to get what she wants.

Dany isn’t a leader she just had dragons.

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Killing two opposing leaders fell in line with her character, Kings Landing did not.

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Yes. Yes it did. She had to be talked out of burning down two other cities in Essos. She threatened to burn down Qarth just b/c they were wary of letting a bunch of savage arse Dothraki into their city. She gives no fricks when her brother is killed via melted gold. She murdered all the other Khals b/c they didn't bow down to her. She killed multiple innocent masters and nobles in Meereen (via crucifixion and dragon) against the advice of Barristan Selmy turning the entirety of the Meereen elites against her. She forces a man to either marry her or die via dragon. She constantly doles out punishment that is based on revenge and not justice or mercy. She says she is there to break the wheel yet if you don't immediately fall in line she considers you an enemy who must be put down. (and that ain't breaking the wheel)

She is completely focused on taking the Iron Throne b/c she believes it to be her birthright even though she has never even been to Westeros and has made zero effort to understand the various customs, alliances, and history. She has always had a quick temper and gets very upset when people disagree with her. She constantly demands people who have never seen her and have zero reason to follow her to bend the knee or die.

She is impetuous and impatient, seems to have no real interest in the actual day to day minutia a ruler must deal with, either doesn't understand or doesn't care that you need to play politics as a ruler thinking her decrees should be the end all be all, thinks if a person fails her wishes or gives advice that doesn't work out it's a sign of treachery, doesn't ever bother to set up up a political structure to replace the ones she destroys, can't comprehend why people don't automatically love her, and treats anyone who doesn't immediately kiss her arse like shite. Ever since she got her dragons her default has been "join me or die" never trying diplomacy first.

Now she is in a place where two of her "children" are dead, she isn't given credit for killing the Night King, her closest thing to a father figure (a guy she once banished under pain of death) is dead, her closest friend and advisor was beheaded in front of her, the man she has fallen in love with has rejected her. Oh and by the way he actually has the better claim to the throne and everyone he comes into contact with loves him and is willing to die for him while nearly everyone she meets in Westeros looks at her with distrust and disdain. She doesn't view the citizens of KL as innocents purely b/c they don't rise up and take down Cersei for her.

She was already difficult to wrangle by her various advisors when things were going right. Now that they are all gone and she has encountered true losses her worst traits have all taken over. This was not sudden. This was not out of nowhere. She always had Targaryen traits that the elites following her hoped she would grow out of as she got older and more experienced. They were all wrong and this could be seen coming from a mile away. A lot of people just missed it b/c they aren't used to a story that follows the journey of and humanizes a person (a pretty, innocent looking, waif of a girl who had a hard upbringing no less) who ends up being a villain.

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Dany isn’t a leader she just had dragons.

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So she goes from this to offering mercy to all opposing soldiers?

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No. Here is her exact quote from the Battle of the Bastards episode:

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I will crucify the masters, I will set their fleets on fire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt.

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So she said she would:

1. Crucify the masters.
2. Set their fleets on fire.
3. Kill every last one of their soldiers.
4. Return their cities to dirt.

And what did she do in the last episode? Literally every single one of those except she just killed the one "master," if we are considering Cersei the master. But she didn't really have a chance to crucify her.

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So she goes from this to offering mercy to all opposing soldiers

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And then when they don’t go to fight for a foreign invader she burns them all alive including the high born Tarlys despite recommendations from her advisors not to. It’s made clear that this sort of thing is WAY outside the norm in the books. It is 100% “known” and expected that at most Ned would get sent to the wall if not kept imprisoned. The Greyjoy’s were sent back to the iron Islands and Theon raised by the starks. They weren’t executed unarmed.

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She went from fighting for the living to killing everyone in a matter of 2 episodes.

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She wasn't fighting for the living. She was fighting for the Iron Throne. If she doesn't take care of the Night King and get the armies of the North behind her she doesn't get the throne.

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How many times does it have to be explained that her ending up where she did is not the issue? It's the ridiculous pace that they tried to do it in that is the problem.

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But 2 seasons ago, she was on the verge of doing the exact thing that she did, that didn't even serve her ultimate goal (rule Westeros). The thing that stopped her was a trusted adviser.

But it's suddenly abrupt when she actually goes through with that same thing, that served her ultimate goal, and without a trusted adviser her to stop her, not to mention all that had happened and all that she had done before that?

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ETA: The descent should have began, at latest, when her first dragon was killed.

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I mean maybe it did. It was the first time she really lost some invincibility and resulted in a sudden change of strategy because her ultimate goal had a major roadblock.

But at the same time, you're framing it as a descent, as if she is truly insane. If anything she was slowly descending into the worst of what she already was and the loss of a dragon alone wouldn't have made that obvious. But it was cumulative impact of losing all of the things restraining her worst that led to this place. She wasn't descending into something she was just losing the restraints of that thing that was already present.

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Yes. Yes it is. I was never trying to argue that what she did was a massive leap. You're saying it happened too fast, im trying to say that even though it was a big leap, its been building up longer than you're making it out to be and its not surprising.

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I said it's been building up since season 1. That her going mad queen was one of a handful of likely outcomes.

You and buckeye have both been arguing against a point that was never even made.

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Others would call it justice. In Old Testament times it was known as "an eye for an eye." Cruel? Yes. Psychotic? No. It also highlights my point that she only does cruel shite when someone has personally wronged her or wronged her people.

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They made a point that not everyone she crucified was responsible.

It’s an eye for an eye not an eye for any other eye.