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weagle99
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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This role isn’t a reach at all. It’s fascinating and sad that we are even having this conversation.



Some of you on this board: She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman.
The show’s creators: We specifically made this character a woman for our reasons.

So the show’s creators are wrong about their stated intentions?







Salmon
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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Some of you on this board: She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman.
The show’s creators: We specifically made this character a woman for our reasons.



the board: who gives a shit?

you: but she was a woman!!



The Egg
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
it's a problem if it detracted from the story

it did not detract from anything


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weagle99
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
You might read some more of the thread before being snarky

This is the incorrect information in a earlier post I replied to.

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If you can’t help but feel that a person was cast simply because that person has a vagina, no one can help you. She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman. It was a great actress who gave a great performance for a role that was vital to telling the story. It’s not like they made the coal foreman female.


Bolded section is at odds with what was stated by the show’s creators. Which is all I have been trying to say this entire time
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How many days are you going to melt about this lady?


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Havoc
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
Women can’t be scientists.


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Salmon
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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Which is all I have been trying to say this entire time


and all anyone else has been saying is that no one cares

yet you keep bringing it up

why?



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JBeam
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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Some of you on this board: She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman.
The show’s creators: We specifically made this character a woman for our reasons.

So the show’s creators are wrong about their stated intentions?

Did you not watch the montage at the end of the series? They specifically explain why Ulana Khomyuk character was created.



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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
I couldn't care less about the creation of Ulana but if you don't believe a woman was injected in there for the purpose of powerful representation you're in denial.
What bothers me more is when unecesarry artistic liberties are taken such as Legasov's heroic but ahistorical testimony in court. This show was a testament that these kind of dramatics are not always needed. We loved this show with or without them.

I'm sure we all can agree this people need to work on more shows.


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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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I couldn't care less about the creation of Ulana but if you don't believe a woman was injected in there for the purpose of powerful representation you're in denial.

Powerful representation of the many scientists that wanted to learn the truth about Chernobyl and the after effects. Mazin went over this numerous times in the podcast. I think you are splitting hairs over something that is in plain sight.

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What bothers me more is when unecesarry artistic liberties are taken such as Legasov's heroic but ahistorical testimony in court. This show was a testament that these kind of dramatics are not always needed. We loved this show with or without them.

Mazin discussed why he took artistic liberties in the final podcast. Mainly, that the video and court documents that he reviewed were very boring and would not make for a good series finale. Also, it brilliantly crafted between the court trial and flashbacks to the hours leading up to the disaster.



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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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I couldn't care less about the creation of Ulana but if you don't believe a woman was injected in there for the purpose of powerful representation you're in denial.


There wasn't a powerful representation, she was just another lead character. There is no woman hear me roar moment or this whole thing happened because men were in charge speech. The creators decided they wanted a female lead to balance all but one female character, this is not some new idea filmmakers just came up because of wanting to be inclusive.


cattus
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
That powerful representation was not only for the scientists but for women( and yes dizz there was a "hear me roar" moment when she saved earth about the water flow and then made Legasov show nuts in court), it seems pretty obvious in the context of how many of them were women and the climate today. But again I honestly don't care and she should be applauded for her acting job.
Again, the last episode was awesome and we all loved the show before it, it's just my opinion that his testimony wasn't needed and the portrayal of actual events would have had benefits.
Anyway one of the best shows I've ever seen.


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GetEmTigers08
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
Credit to the show for doing a hell of a job with explaining nuclear power and radiation, in general. Even the technical stuff was presented so concise and understandable, especially the tug of war explanation with the cards. Because of that, I would say this show made itself much more available to people with no background for any of it.

I am a chemical engineer, but nuclear reactors were just one more process with a mass and energy balance taught in undergrad. For the most part, I have found that many engineers/people working in STEM fields have at least a general interest in nuclear energy, science, etc. It's fascinating as hell.

Kind of regret not going to power school/Navy after college, though.



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ell_13
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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The creators decided they wanted a female lead to balance all but one female character, this is not some new idea filmmakers just came up because of wanting to be inclusive.
That’s what I’m trying to say. They had a role and wanted a woman because it worked best for the story in their eyes. Not because they felt they needed to shoehorn in a show a feminism. There was no pandering with the role at all. The role existed first and they thought a woman fit it best. It wasn’t some generated character for the sake of inserting a powerful female lead.
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iwyLSUiwy
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
Started the freaking thread anf im finally in front of a computer screen to talk about it, and what do ya know, its a feminism debate going on


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TigerstuckinMS
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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Bolded section is at odds with what was stated by the show’s creators. Which is all I have been trying to say this entire time

Great. We heard you every time you said it. We didn't care then. We currently don't care. We will not care in the future.

Now shut the hell up about it.
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weagle99
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
Nah, I will keep talking about it if I like. I didn’t say anywhere that it bothered me that a woman was used but some of y’all whipped out the Jump to Conclusions mat anyway.

If no one cared they certainly wouldn’t keep replying and getting emotionally worked up about it (you being a great case in point)

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ell_13
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
You're projecting. Simply replying to you doesn't reflect an opinion on the character in terms of her gender. Simply pointing out that many people weren't concerned with her genitals as they watched doesn't mean they care.

My total focus on her, and the writers' focus, was on what she was there to represent. A team of scientists. Period.


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GetCocky11
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
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. I didn’t say anywhere that it bothered me that a woman


It obviously had some kind of effect on you.


kywildcatfanone
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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
This thread is derailed about a great mini series.


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