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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:18 am to Scoob
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:18 am to Scoob
I noticed at least twice that some of the characters referred to other characters using a different last name or a middle name. Dyatlov did this to Legasov when he was testifying and Tutunov was called something different when the control room guy got him from the locker room.
Is this something that Russians do?
Is this something that Russians do?
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:37 am to lsunurse
quote:
Green????
You are color blind
It was saying "Yanny" and the dress was white, not blue.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:43 am to facher08
quote:
I noticed at least twice that some of the characters referred to other characters using a different last name or a middle name. Dyatlov did this to Legasov when he was testifying and Tutunov was called something different when the control room guy got him from the locker room.
Is this something that Russians do?
Yeah, Russians have a given name, a patronymic using their father's name, and a family name. So, for instance, their full name might be something like John Bobson Smith. Depending on how formal the situation is, you might not use the familial at all and just use the given and patronymic. If you're very familiar with a person, you may go as far as to us a diminuitive form of the given name. So, that's what you're hearing, just varying forms of the person's name depending on how formal or informal the usage is and how familiar the speaker is with the person being referenced.
So, using our English example, from most formal to least formal.
John Bobson Smith
John Smith
John Bobson
John
Johnny
It's very similar to how English speaking countries use names, really. The distinct difference is the patronymic for the middle name and that Russians actually will use someone's middle name because it's a patronymic and honors the father whereas we Americans have middle names that we only use on legal documents or when your mom wants you to know you fricked up bad.
ETA: Oh yeah, if you're a serial killer, you also use all three names.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:48 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
So, using our English example, from most formal to least formal.
John Bobson Smith
John Smith
John Bobson
Johnny
In rural white America:
William Robert Smith
Bill Smith
Billy Bob
Bubba
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:42 am to gringeaux
Thanks guys
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:46 pm to cas4t
Fantastic series. Wife and I both absolutely loved it. Pretty much every episode, at least once or twice, I would just look at her and be like "This show is awesome." Don't remember many shows having that affect on me like this one did. Just incredible on pretty much all fronts, and HBO knocked it out of the park.
Legasov's explanation with the cards in the courtroom was outstanding, and most anybody could follow it perfectly. I also liked how Shcherbina went from asking how a nuclear reactor works in the first episode to explaining how it worked to the court (and really well too) in the final episode.
Can't wait to rewatch this soon.
Legasov's explanation with the cards in the courtroom was outstanding, and most anybody could follow it perfectly. I also liked how Shcherbina went from asking how a nuclear reactor works in the first episode to explaining how it worked to the court (and really well too) in the final episode.
Can't wait to rewatch this soon.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:51 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Craig Mazin did a fantastic job mixing reality with creative liberties with that entire courtroom scene. Also, the flashbacks were perfect.
Legasov's explanation with the cards in the courtroom was outstanding, and most anybody could follow it perfectly. I also liked how Shcherbina went from asking how a nuclear reactor works in the first episode to explaining how it worked to the court (and really well too) in the final episode.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:16 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:I loved how that played out.
I also liked how Shcherbina went from asking how a nuclear reactor works in the first episode to explaining how it worked to the court (and really well too) in the final episode
Shcherbina was randomly given a task to do that he had completely no expertise in, but he also wasn't portrayed as a dummy. You see that early on when they try to tell him the graphite was "concrete", and he calls them out on it.
"Ah, see, you shouldn't have done that. I know concrete, and I know that's not it. Now I know you're lying to me".
I enjoyed the wordless moments throughout where he realizes he's going to die; the way he pauses and processes everything Legazov tells him, the way he stares off at times afterwards.
Like he said at the end, he's not important, he just stood next to important people. But seeing as this is going to kill him, he chooses to own it and understand the process, instead of mindlessly spouting the Party line. I almost wish he had a moment with the KGB director afterwards, where he could have said "what are you going to do, kill me? I'm already dead, you idiot. If you're going to pull my toenails out, let me warn you that 2 already have fallen out on their own".
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:50 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I like historical dramas like this because I don't have to hear whiny fans like in GoT argue that characters wouldn't do certain things. You can't argue with history. 
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:03 pm to Dizz
quote:
Like any character as long as they fit and its not force feed to the audience then I don't see the problem. The actress nailed it and the character didn't seem out of place. I don't get why some on here got bothered by it so much.
Because of all the scientists she represented, how many were actually female? So why the need to make this character female? It just goes hand in hand with society today wanting everyone represented.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:08 pm to barry
quote:
I like historical dramas like this because I don't have to hear whiny fans like in GoT argue that characters wouldn't do certain things. You can't argue with history.
I completely agree, even though they still infiltrated either this or the episode 4 thread. So sick of hearing about that show and so glad it's over.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:09 pm to Geauxboy
Seems like a weird hill to get butthurt on.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:17 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Seems like a weird hill to get butthurt on.
Why are you OK with giving credit where it is not due?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 6/5/19 at 4:07 pm to Geauxboy
She’s a fictional character.
So I mean, it would be the same if she was a man.
So I mean, it would be the same if she was a man.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 5:45 pm to Geauxboy
quote:If you can’t help but feel that a person was cast simply because that person has a vagina, no one can help you. She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman. It was a great actress who gave a great performance for a role that was vital to telling the story. It’s not like they made the coal foreman female.
So why the need to make this character female?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:10 pm to Geauxboy
quote:
Because of all the scientists she represented, how many were actually female? So why the need to make this character female? It just goes hand in hand with society today wanting everyone represented.
Women represent roughly 50% of the world’s population.
Also:
quote:
"Very few women were ever in the kind of overall ruling political body of the Soviet Union.
But one area where the Soviets were actually more progressive than we were was in the area of science and medicine, particularly medicine. The Soviet Union had quite a large percentage of female doctors."
From Chernobyl Director himself...
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
Russians use many names:
Natalie
Natalia
Natalya
You could add things like old, young, little, large etc and still would be talking about Natalie.
My wife is Russian and I call her sister to the effect old love (meaning older person named Luba)
Natalie
Natalia
Natalya
You could add things like old, young, little, large etc and still would be talking about Natalie.
My wife is Russian and I call her sister to the effect old love (meaning older person named Luba)
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:08 pm to ell_13
quote:
She wasn’t a woman for the sake of being a woman.
I read the creators specifically chose a woman because the story was too ‘male heavy’.
So...?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:16 pm to weagle99
It is possible to add a female character without it being sjw, woke, inclusive, or whatever else you want to say. I still haven’t seen anyone say they didn’t like the character or that she was out of place so I don’t get the complaing.
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