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re: Chernobyl Episode 5 "Vichnaya Pamyat" - Season Finale

Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:26 pm to
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Legasov's explanation with the cards in the courtroom was outstanding
Green cards, right?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:30 pm to


Entire mini series was fantastic
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:33 pm to
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I read the creators specifically chose a woman because the story was too ‘male heavy’.

So...?


They made no sjw comments in the show, showed no “girl power” scenes with her character, no “look at what women can do” moments. None of that. Just a woman playing a character. That’s it. There are plenty of legit complaints to throw at Hollywood and their agendas, but this show ain’t one of them

I feel sorry for some people who got bothered when watching this show simply because it was a woman character
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:36 pm to
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I feel sorry for some people who got bothered when watching this show simply because it was a woman character



She did a really great job with the part.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 7:41 pm to
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She did a really great job with the part.

She fricking nailed it. It turns out that acting is a hobby of hers in addition to menstruating and dismantling the patriarchy.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Just a woman playing a character.


No man could have been selected to play that character per what I read from the creators. So the earlier comment that her being a woman ‘didn’t matter’ or words to that effect weren’t accurate.

She did a great job in the role, but one shouldn’t assume her gender wasn’t a factor in her being selected. Which is what I think people are reacting to even if they liked her performance
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted by Dizz
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:03 pm to
They wanted a female for the role this happens regular in movies for non sjw reasons.
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:10 pm to
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No man could have been selected to play that character per what I read from the creators. So the earlier comment that her being a woman ‘didn’t matter’ or words to that effect weren’t accurate.


In the context of the actual show, her being a woman didn’t matter. I don’t care how or why someone casts a show as long as it has no adverse effect on the show itself.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:09 pm to
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one shouldn’t assume her gender wasn’t a factor in her being selected
So we should always assume that gender is a factor in casting generic roles? Is that where we are at. How fricking pathetic.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:14 pm to
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So we should always assume that gender is a factor in casting generic roles?


When the creators specifically said it was a factor, then I think that is a safe assumption.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:30 pm to
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he also wasn't portrayed as a dummy. You see that early on when they try to tell him the graphite was "concrete", and he calls them out on it.


Shcherbina (played as well by Skarsgard as Legasov was by Harris) was 66 - 67 during the events, exactly the age Skarsgard is now. A Ukrainian, he was a veteran of the Winter War with Finland, like all those of his generation, clearly a survivor. Just think of how many young men born in the waning days of the Russian Empire and the early years of the Soviet Union didn't survive to see 1946. Just the other day, I read that only 1 in 5 boys born in the Soviet Union in 1923 were alive in 1946.

Anyway, Shcherbina worked in oil and gas, primarily. There were a lot of hard asses on the Central Committee back then, but he was kind of their operator, knuckle checking baw.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:43 pm to
They didn’t cast her as a woman for the sake of casting a woman. They wrote a part with a woman in mind for various other reasons. Dynamics and contrast between the other two males. And it wasn’t shoehorned at all. Medical and scientific personnel in Soviet Russia had a large female contingent. The writers were extremely forthcoming about the liberties they took especially with this character. And she doesn’t seem out of place at all. Anyone who only sees or gets distracted by her gender is a fricking lunatic.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:47 pm to
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They didn’t cast her as a woman for the sake of casting a woman.


What part of (paraphrasing) ‘The film was too male heavy so we wanted a woman’ is not registering?

I didn’t say that, the film’s creators did.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 9:49 pm
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:52 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:14 am to
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What part of (paraphrasing) ‘The film was too male heavy so we wanted a woman’ is not registering?

I didn’t say that, the film’s creators did.


Films need to resonate with everyone. If you are creating a new character based off a group of people, some of which were female, it would seem like an easy decision to make that character female as to give female audience members someone to relate to and as contrast to the other male characters.

This is just basic marketing/storytelling.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:23 am to
I said this earlier but it’s not like they made the coal miner foreman a woman. This role isn’t a reach at all. It’s fascinating and sad that we are even having this conversation.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:03 am to
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This role isn’t a reach at all. It’s fascinating and sad that we are even having this conversation.


amen

as for the series (I finished it last night), it was one of my favorites

just brilliantly acted, beautifully shot, pacing was perfect, everything was on point

we need more stories as minseries, and less that are shoved into a 2 hour movie

Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:07 am to
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Because of all the scientists she represented, how many were actually female? So why the need to make this character female? It just goes hand in hand with society today wanting everyone represented.


File you under "will probably claim to not be sexist but sees any instance of a woman as 'forced inclusion'".
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:11 am to
I guess some didn't appreciate my sarcasm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:13 am to
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I guess some didn't appreciate my sarcasm


Did you foget to turn on the font?
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