re: 'Black Panther ' Spoiler Thread

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you didn't watch the movie, did you?

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Do you know what “implicit” means?

awful cgi. just awful. i felt like i was watching a ps3 level video game at some points.

i didn't feel the movie was too sjw (though the mid credit stinger was a bit preachy). black panther prevented an international race war. he's good in my book.

I kinda wish they didn't kill him so they could bring him back like Loki as a minor villain in the MCU.

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that clearly and openly places implicit blame on white people for Africa’s problems (and every other problem experienced by people of African descent)

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Naaaa, they actually handled this well. The point was that the isolation of Wakanda didn't do anything to help anyone. Yes, they talk about slavery a few times, but they are referencing the fact that they aren't helping or doing anything as the problem.

There is no general "white blame," in the film outside of, "Yeah some people did some bad stuff over time, and we Wakandans did nothing to help it or fix it." And the main thrust of the film is what should they do...that's what drives most of the plot, not "How can we get back at white people?" Killmonger wants to take over the world, read: Everyone, not just white people.

I do agree about the cgi being bad in some places. I am normally not one to complain about that. Most times I either dont notice or dont care at all. This time, there were some places it was so bad it was almost distracting.

Unfortunately Disney is the victor here, but as if to further prove that Disney royally fricked up The Last Jedi, Black Panther’s 4 day weekend outgrossed TLJ in the same time frame: LINK

But hey, keep Kathleen Kennedy on board and let her burn the most valuable franchise in the world to the ground.

And I still have yet to see Black Panther. I might go see it this weekend, but if Annihilation is as good as I’m expecting it to be (I’m seeing that first) then I might see that twice before Black Panther.

Sheesh. I still haven't seen it yet because I don't like crowded theaters. I have some friends that said that theaters in their areas were sold out yesterday afternoon. I guess I will still have to wait a few weeks.

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There is no general "white blame," in the film outside of, "Yeah some people did some bad stuff over time, and we Wakandans did nothing to help it or fix it." And the main thrust of the film is what should they do...that's what drives most of the plot, not "How can we get back at white people?" Killmonger wants to take over the world, read: Everyone, not just white people.

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Well, I think Killmonger does want to kill white people. But that's also what makes him the villain. He wants to have black people subjugate white people the way black people have been historically subjugated. And that's an immoral argument. One atrocity does not justify another. It's Nakia who is the moral center of the film, as she argues from the opening scene that Wakanda should engage to HELP everyone. It's implied her relationship with T'Challa ended because of this strong desire to help the world and not hide from it.

The central question of the movie is whether simply preserving your society make it WORTH preserving? If you don't stand for anything, what's the point? Wakanda has neglected its moral obligations in the name of self-preservation.

And this is where I put on my former history major hat and get real queasy about the implications of Wakanda in the MCU. African slavery was a moral evil and white Europeans murdered and enslaved millions of people over hundreds of years, effectively ruining a continent's political and social structure. Wakanda did nothing.

Even worse, they place the country near Kenya, right next to the Belgian Congo, home of perhaps the worst genocide in human history. The Belgians murdered millions in pursuit of the rubber trees and this happened right on Wakandan borders and they ignored this crime. This is akin to the Swiss in WWII, only it last 100 years rather than 5. In the MCU, Wakanda's inaction is utterly immoral. This doesn't make T'Challa or his father evil (sins of the father and all that), but Wakanda has a blood guilt. not as extreme as the European colonial powers, but it still exists.

(This is of course, is all theoretical considering Wakanda is fictional. But if a powerful, futuristic nation did exist and allowed such suffering to occur on its borders because they simply weren't one of their tribe, it is callous at best, immoral at worst. It would be like the UN ignoring the Rwandan genocide).

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Well, I think Killmonger does want to kill white people. But that's also what makes him the villain. He wants to have black people subjugate white people the way black people have been historically subjugated.

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Maybe I missed something, but didn't he say something like "We have agents on every country on the planet, and we can activate them..." blah blah? I didn't think it was specific to white people. I felt like Killmonger was blaming Wakanda for not doing anything, ever, and looking to subjugate everyone? Maybe I missed something.

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The central question of the movie is whether simply preserving your society make it WORTH preserving? If you don't stand for anything, what's the point? Wakanda has neglected its moral obligations in the name of self-preservation.

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That's a good way to say it.

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Could you provide examples?

Also, did you see the movie? You never answered the questions.

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I guess not