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Fox Mulder
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re: 'Black Panther ' Spoiler Thread
Long story short: easily the best marvel movie until they go for the big dumb ending

Jordan & serkis are both really good

The sister Q doctor lady is really good on screen

Relative to other marvel and dc movies (excluding Nolan movies) it shows restraint with the special effects until the end when it becomes retarded.

The scene where killmonger goes to the ancestral plane and then burns the poppy flowers was the best and the moment where I was thinking “oh shite this is really really good”

Kind of had a James Bond and lord of the rings meets Africa vibe for most of the movie that I really liked

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When you see average, ordinary and routine in the dictionary, this Black Panther movie will be right under them as an example.

It wasn't a spectacular dumpster fire that will live in infamy like Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad and Iron Man 3 but it wasn't some huge statement movie though like the first Iron Man, Winter Solider, Civil War or the first Avengers. But then again, I think that was the goal for Marvel here being to just get Black Panther off the ground with a cookie cutter safe plot that has the classic hero and villain with the de-powered hero angle that's tried and true and it keeps the politics to a bare minimum and then get to Infinity War with no damage.

Killmonger was a trashy piece of shite and had no range at all as a villain. All he had in his heart and mind was nothing but rage and hate.

This excerpt from the Marvel wikia really nails it home about how Killmonger was always destined to fail.

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Killmonger trained his whole life to right the wrongs against him and his race, but his goal was always doomed to fail due to his sociopathic nature. Killmonger made no efforts to connect with those he fought for, the Wakandans he came to rule, or even his own blood family. Instead, he was fully prepared to kill or sacrifice them all for his cause without emotion.

Further illustrating this flaw, Killmonger was only shown to have two positive relationships and even those were deeply flawed. He shared a sexually passionate relationship with his partner in crime, Linda, but no emotional attachment. This was proven when he dispassionately murdered her as soon as she became a hostage of Ulysses Klaue--a liability to his cause.

Killmonger idolized his father and was determined to fulfill his dream of returning to his home country. After his father's murder, however, even this positive relationship was twisted into yet another source of hatred. Taking all of this into account, Killmonger was a man with only hatred in his heart. In his perspective, he had learned the worst of his enemies to end their evil, but he was instead constantly inflicting his tainted knowledge on everyone around him.

Therefore, despite his actions and claims of noble ultimate intentions, unlike his father whose radical acts were motivated by compassion, Killmonger's were motivated almost solely by hatred, seeing all that he had done and will do, as mainly revenge against a world that took everything from him. Killmonger's corruption of his father's ideals made him a man of pure destruction, and a clear and present danger to the whole world during his tenure as king of Wakanda.


I think Chadwick Boseman did a really good job as Black Panther. He's definitely one of the most fully developed, mature and professional avengers there is. Remember, he let Zemo live at the end of Civil War and that is the sign of a hero that is pure of heart.

And I really think if Captain America does die someday, Black Panther could replace him as the leader of the Avengers because he's already skilled of a leader.


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I do plan on seeing it, as I've invested in the Marvel storyline, and I think they've done a good job of weaving even minor threads into the big picture going forward.

I suppose I need to see it in the theater, since Infinity War is coming soon... streaming is getting unreliable and IW will be out before BP hits OnDemand/DVD etc.
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And I really think if Captain America does die someday, Black Panther could replace him as the leader of the Avengers because he's already skilled of a leader.

Do you think that's the "must view" part of this film? Setting up Cap's death and putting BP in line of succession? I think it makes sense, we have to expect some turnover/casualties (both for the script, and for the actors wanting to end their runs); Infinity War would be an ideal point to kill some folks off. Bucky has the physical skill but he's a loner, and the other new guys are either loners (Ant Man, Dr Strange) or followers (Spiderman, Falcon, War Machine).


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I went to see this movie for a second time because some friends wanted to see it. On second look man did I find it cheesy, especially Killmonger. Don’t know why I thought he did great the first viewing. Maybe it was just the way the character was written


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I thought the same thing. I don't see why he's being so highly praised.


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This is of course, is all theoretical considering Wakanda is fictional. But if a powerful, futuristic nation did exist and allowed such suffering to occur on its borders because they simply weren't one of their tribe, it is callous at best, immoral at worst. It would be like the UN ignoring the Rwandan genocide

well nothing about Wakanda makes sense in the real world, which makes any political message from the film really stupid. i don't think the film was political in the way that people are promoting it, but they should have tried to avoid any politics b/c of how stupid it is. the crazy magic of the Marvel movies is allowing the audience to ignore the fantastic. politics brings Wakanda back to reality, and that means the absolute impossibility of Wakanda

the worst part was how T'Challa's sister was like, "it's not magic; it's science" and then explains everything using what effectively amounts to narrative, historical, and actual magic (Vibranium)

the movie was good. first half was very solid. very energetic ans entertaining. second half was bad. fights were some of the worst i've ever seen. CGI was terrible.

for all this talk about Michael B Jordan's character being great, i thought he sucked. they didn't build his character as much as they used the shock-reveal with a little back story.


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I thought the same thing. I don't see why he's being so highly praised.

yeah Boseman and all the supporting characters on the good side did really well and i thought T'Challa was really good, but Killmonger? he was Zemo and Michael B Jordan did nothing special. what made it worse was how they started using hip hop music when he was on screen as he took over


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what made it worse was how they started using hip hop music when he was on screen as he took over


I cringed every time


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The international box office for this movie is really interesting. It's only made 20 million more than Fifty shades. (Fifty shades straight up beat it in a few countries).
Also looks like the first MCU movie where the domestic total will be more than the foreign.


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Killmonger was the rightful king of Wakanda and Forrest Whitaker should not have intervened.


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REALLY cool music was when the mountain tribe showed up at the initial king ceremony. that shite was badass


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I guess I got too hyped about it, but thought it was just okay. I probably will never watch it again
Saw it today..underwhelmed. It just really wasn't that good.... watchable but decent at best

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I don’t know about everyone else but I think I’m growing tired of marvel movies. I will go see infinity war because they have been building toward it for years. I feel like they need a year or two break after that to take a big breath and maybe come up with a couple of great movies instead of just pretty good ones.

i don't usually watch secondary Marvel movies in theaters to avoid this. i still haven't seen Ant Man (and i know it's good. it's more than just quality)


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The irony is that with an all black cast the director isn’t too worried about showing how diverse wakanda is. Look at the diversity, look! Look!

He just had to focus on making a good movie. I really really liked it before it went to shite. It had a lot of restraint relative to other marvel movies. The characters had things going on and motivations. Up to a point I thought it was the best MCU movie and I usually hate these fricking things...but then it went to shite with a climax that was over indulgent and boring



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it wasn't some huge statement movie though like the first Iron Man, Winter Solider, Civil War or the first Avengers. But then again, I think that was the goal for Marvel here being to just get Black Panther off the ground with a cookie cutter safe plot that has the classic hero and villain with the de-powered hero angle that's tried and true and it keeps the politics to a bare minimum and then get to Infinity War with no damage.


I really think this was the goal for Marvel all along.

A safe movie with a predictable cookie cutter plot to get a decent cash haul for future projects and then get to Infinity War where the real risk taking can happen with Thanos and our heroes.


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Do you think that's the "must view" part of this film? Setting up Cap's death and putting BP in line of succession?


Yes.

From everything we've seen so far, Black Panther is a natural leader and a skilled diplomat and even his father said for someone who hates diplomacy, he's really good at it.

He already has a decent rapport going with Captain America as they have a lot in common as they're leaders of men in the theaters of War and diplomacy.

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Bucky has the physical skill but he's a loner, and the other new guys are either loners (Ant Man, Dr Strange) or followers (Spiderman, Falcon, War Machine).


It may not be Black Panther, it could be Thor for all we know but he's the King of Asgard now and that will significantly cut into his responsibilities with the Avengers but then again, I'm talking about Black Panther and he's already King of Wakanda.

A dark horse could be Vision but I doubt he has the fearless persona to be able to take risks and go against the popular narrative like Cap did in Civil War and Vision was content to play it safe.


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So I finally saw it... and it’s a competent film. I didn’t like or dislike it. I’d say it’s middle of the road Marvel. I guess I’d give it a Fresh as well in the T-Meter, but it was just there for me. Not a bad way to waste a day at the theater, but I really don’t give a shite about this movie at the end of the day.


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Do you think that's the "must view" part of this film? Setting up Cap's death and putting BP in line of succession?


Yes.

From everything we've seen so far, Black Panther is a natural leader and a skilled diplomat and even his father said for someone who hates diplomacy, he's really good at it.

Yeah, that's what I assumed. I think there's a rhyme and reason to Marvel's characters, even if we don't see that right away.

Evans is probably ready to move on now, so you need to replace the leadership position.

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It may not be Black Panther, it could be Thor for all we know
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A dark horse could be Vision
Don't see either of these. Thor is too powerful, and he's still technically an outsider. Vision isn't really human, and again too strong.
BP really is the best option.

Replacing Downey/Stark will also be interesting; very few guys have the smarts to do what he does (Ant Man for example, the current guy just uses the suit, he didn't make it). Spiderman might, he has made his webs.


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Speaking of Cap, where was he? The end of Civil War made it seem like he was chillin in Wakanda.


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