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Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:44 am to RD Dawg
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RD Dawg
Bra. You are making a fool of yourself. Sometimes you just need to accept that you lost and move on. This is embarrassing.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:47 am to biglego
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realize that historians don’t even know that much. Two history books might have wholly different takes on the same event.
Correct.I mean what actually was true about Marco Polo? There are some historians who say his stories are complete fiction and others who confirm most of what happened.He was supposed to have given a death bed confessional admitting that his accounts were mostly made up.
Who really knows what to believe?
Hollywood takes outlines and fills in the gaps.Some movies try to be more accurate than others and some don't really GAS.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:52 am to Midget Death Squad
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Sometimes you just need to accept that you lost and move on.
LMAO! Nothing I said was inaccurate and he continually twisted or made up what I said in my responses.
Never once said Gladiator was "historically accurate"
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:58 am to biglego
I think you are correct I was just poking fun at some of the ways they ramped up the drama and action for a movie :)
(Which I'm not complaining about at all by the way.)
(Which I'm not complaining about at all by the way.)
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:58 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Pete O'Toole in Masada
He was fantastic in that role. Peter Strauss was equally good. Surprisingly strong cast for a mini series.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:00 am to RD Dawg
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When was this said? You said "complete fiction".What exactly is your definition of "complete fiction?"Pretty sure what my definition is
The movie was an outline of a real emperor who in fact rigged phoney gladiator fights he was involved in and his father, Marcus Aurelius was an actual person.Lucilla was a real person.And Rome fought in Germanic wars during that period. Sorry but it's not "complete fiction"...which means the entire story and characters were made up or a Novel like Ben Hur.
I mean,how do we know the details of any actual events that took place 2000+ years ago in any movie?
Gladiator is like admittedly a historical fantasy. It uses real people and places and that's about it. It's about as accurate as Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:12 am to Freauxzen
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Gladiator is like admittedly a historical fantasy. It uses real people and places and that's about it.
LMAO!
You mean like MULTIPLE other movies do about events that took place 2000+ years ago?Some do a better job than others some don't GAS and others are COMPLETE FICTION like Ben Hur
Never once said anything about the Gladiator story line being true.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:17 am to RD Dawg
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LMAO!
You mean like MULTIPLE other movies do about events that took place 2000+ years ago?Some do a better job than others some don't GAS and others are COMPLETE FICTION like Ben Hur
Never once said anything about the Gladiator story line being true.
I should real names of people and places. That's what I mean. Nothing more.
Which means:
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The movie was an outline of a real emperor who in fact rigged phoney gladiator fights he was involved in and his father, Marcus Aurelius was an actual person.Lucilla was a real person.And Rome fought in Germanic wars during that period. Sorry but it's not "complete fiction"...which means the entire story and characters were made up or a Novel like Ben Hur.
This is pretty misleading. It isn't complete fiction because, yes, there was a Commodus. But that's about as far as it goes. It's a historical fantasy.
Again, very much in the realm of Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. There really was an Abraham Lincoln.....and that's about where the realness ends.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:39 am to Freauxzen
Can I nominate the Pearl Harbor scene where FDR gets so charged up that his legs start working again like in Dr. Strangelove?
Michael Bay
Michael Bay
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:40 am to Tiger1242
JFK
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:54 am to Tiger1242
I haven't seen it but Alexander is supposed to have a lot of legit historical backing. The presentation was just terrible
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:22 am to Tiger1242
There was a mini series a while back about the real Dracula....Vlad the Impaler that was pretty accurate. It showed how he was sold out by his own people. Romanians still consider him a nattional hero
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Alexander is supposed to have a lot of legit historical backing
quote:Would have been mentioned pages ago if it wasn't crap.
Best Ancient Historical movies
Though there is no proof that Aleander was a homo. Ancient heroic people were often associated with mighty companions.
It's like saying that Gilgamesh and Enkidu or The Lone Ranger and Tonto were homos just because they hung out. If Alexander was a known homo, no one would have followed him anywhere.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:07 pm to blueboy
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Though there is no proof that Aleander was a homo. Ancient heroic people were often associated with mighty companions.
Ehhhhh I mean he was PRETTY attached to Hephaestion and extremely upset when he died
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If Alexander was a known homo, no one would have followed him anywhere.
This isn't true, sexuality was looked at differently by those guys. Taking a male lover, especially while marching in the army where there aren't a lot of females, was pretty common if not almost expected in Greek armies.
The Spartan's were well known for that since they lived with all men all the time even when married until they were in their 30's...
Hell Roman emperor Hadrian was openly a homosexual, which being only attracted to men was considered strange, yet he still goes down as one of the 5 great emperors and seemed to be well liked and respected by his contemporaries
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:18 pm to Tiger1242
Seems like a lot of religious themed films are out there that covers ancient cultures. While not interested in a religious back and forth, a lot of these films probably portray the cultures of the times which is all you can hope for.
Has anyone every seen the musical "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dream Coat"?
Also let's add Henry III
Has anyone every seen the musical "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dream Coat"?
Also let's add Henry III
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:18 pm to biglego
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Ridley Scott went out of his way to make the Church and crusaders look bad
True but they did give Heraclius my favorite line in the movie. To this day I still get a chuckle out of it: "Convert to Islam. Repent later."
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:20 pm to Tiger1242
On the few things they wrote down back then we aren't even sure how accurate they are. I would assume there was lots of embellishing by writers. That old saying that history is written by the victors. Of course they would make themselves sound better if it was wrote down. If a leader found out something was written about him in a bad light the writer/s would be beheaded and their work destroyed. That's just how it was back then.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:22 pm to KiwiHead
caligula was accurate too, babe
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:22 pm to KiwiHead
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e was a mini series a while back about the real Dracula....Vlad the Impaler that was pretty accurate. It showed how he was sold out by his own people. Romanians still consider him a nattional hero
against the ottomans, what series called? cher
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