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Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:06 pm to Tiger1242
Spartacus and his crew shouldve fled to africa and avoided crassus
they were cornered
they were cornered
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:06 pm to donut
That was 200 years after the fact, and he was the only one who said it. And that's probably what he meant, that the body wasn't identified. Again, multiple accounts have him assaulting Crassus' personal guard, being surrounded and killed. It was the moment that broke the rebel army, so they definitely knew it had happened.
If he wasn't killed in the battle, he was certainly crucified afterward, a la the movie, but that angle is overplayed in the movie just to provide a defiant and therefore, somewhat triumphant end to his story.
I'd rather die fighting than be slowly and painfully crucified anyway.
If he wasn't killed in the battle, he was certainly crucified afterward, a la the movie, but that angle is overplayed in the movie just to provide a defiant and therefore, somewhat triumphant end to his story.
I'd rather die fighting than be slowly and painfully crucified anyway.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:06 pm to Boo Krewe
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when i get time, i want to write an epic about ottomans vs vlad or europe
I would read that.
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also, welsh rebellion against england ( like bravehart
Also Longshanks, right?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:08 pm to biglego
thanks. i want to sell them to netflix or amazon.
well, Longshanks did frick the welsh, but this is during Henry IV's time
well, Longshanks did frick the welsh, but this is during Henry IV's time
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:25 pm to blueboy
And this exchange right here is why I love history but am also mindful of the huge gaps in our knowledge of what really happened.
The idea that homosexuality was celebrated in Ancient Greece or Rome or anywhere else never made sense to me. It defies logic. Sure, some people were gay. Maybe Alexander was bi. But to think so many men were porking each other that an entire civilization normalized it is absurd.
Never has any society celebrated gayness as much as the modern west. Yet there still aren’t that many gay men, and there certainly aren’t otherwise straight men having gay sex just bc it’s culturally acceptable.
Simply put, straight men will never willingly choose to frick other men regardless of anything else, and there’s no reason to think more men were gay back then.
But then again, I could be totally wrong. That’s the fun of history.
The idea that homosexuality was celebrated in Ancient Greece or Rome or anywhere else never made sense to me. It defies logic. Sure, some people were gay. Maybe Alexander was bi. But to think so many men were porking each other that an entire civilization normalized it is absurd.
Never has any society celebrated gayness as much as the modern west. Yet there still aren’t that many gay men, and there certainly aren’t otherwise straight men having gay sex just bc it’s culturally acceptable.
Simply put, straight men will never willingly choose to frick other men regardless of anything else, and there’s no reason to think more men were gay back then.
But then again, I could be totally wrong. That’s the fun of history.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:43 pm to biglego
Don't get me wrong. It existed. It just wasn't super common and celebrated, as some believe. It existed mostly in the form of pederasty, the old mentor/student initiation rite. As such, it wasn't considered real, full-time homosexuality. Examples of two adult males having a relationship exist almost entirely in mythological fiction from time periods separated by centuries. But even in fiction, most examples of homosexuality are in the context of pederasty.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:15 pm to blueboy
Anyone answer Alexander Nevsky?
Because, Alexander Nevsky.
Youtube - A.Nevsky "The Battle on the Ice"
Directed by Sergei Eisenstein
Score by Sergei Prokofiev
Because, Alexander Nevsky.
Youtube - A.Nevsky "The Battle on the Ice"
Directed by Sergei Eisenstein
Score by Sergei Prokofiev
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:25 pm to blueboy
Right, I’m agreeing with you. Of course homosexuality existed but there’s no logical reason why it would’ve been as common as some historians suggest.
And no doubt this happened, but I’m just skeptical that it was as widespread as commonly claimed.
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It existed mostly in the form of pederasty, the old mentor/student initiation rite
And no doubt this happened, but I’m just skeptical that it was as widespread as commonly claimed.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:36 pm to blueboy
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Don't get me wrong. It existed. It just wasn't super common and celebrated, as some believe. It existed mostly in the form of pederasty, the old mentor/student initiation rite
And in this mentor/student relationship usually the mentor didn't actually penetrate the student, basically they had sex with their inner thighs right below their arse (which somehow seems worse to me).
In fact when Caesar was in Bithynia when he was just starting out he was sent by the army to ensure help from King Nicomedes. Rumors spread they had an affair and that Caesar let him actually have sex with him and he was ridiculed for it his whole life, although he denied it.
And while you are right many people today try and use the ancient world to prove a political or social point about their beliefs on sexuality it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Like I said it was fairly common in the army and as you pointed out in upper class households as a mentor/mentee relationship. Generally there was no love or real relationship aspect to either of these. Gay sex, just like pedophelia, was more common in the ancient world, that doesn't mean it was openly talked about or celebrated, and being in a gay relationship was certainly not accepted freely
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:48 pm to Tiger1242
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basically they had sex with their inner thighs right below their arse (which somehow seems worse to me).
Eh, i think taking it up the butt would be worse
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:00 pm to Tiger1242
Accurate how?
We can't even agree on shite that happened a 100 years ago and you expect an accurate depiction of something 2000 years ago.
It's all fantasy.
We can't even agree on shite that happened a 100 years ago and you expect an accurate depiction of something 2000 years ago.
It's all fantasy.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:10 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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It's all fantasy.
I mean, it’s not. We have lots of detailed information and 1000’s of sources on tons of events from that time period. Not to mention archaeological evidence
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:09 am to RD Dawg
The story on the fall of Constantinople is fascinating and that series is pretty good albeit made by Turks...the role of Giusterini is pretty accurate although he was fighting a losing battle from the beginning.
Mehmet was hell bent on taking the city. He had already taken everything that was once Byzantine by that time. Their capital was at Edrine (Adrianople). When he crossed the Bosporus the year before and built the Throat Cutter on the Bosporus it was really the end. Mehmet brought to bare ALL the resources at his disposal. The transporting of his entire fleet across land to outflank the Byzantine navy in the Golden Horn was just unbelievable.....Even so the Byzantines exacted a high price on the Ottoman victory
The Fall of Constantinople in 1453 screwed with European/Christian psyche for centuries. Interestingly, Mehmet may have been as much Slavic as he was Turk. There were many in the Balkans though who were not sad to see the Byzantines finally vanquished.
Mehmet was hell bent on taking the city. He had already taken everything that was once Byzantine by that time. Their capital was at Edrine (Adrianople). When he crossed the Bosporus the year before and built the Throat Cutter on the Bosporus it was really the end. Mehmet brought to bare ALL the resources at his disposal. The transporting of his entire fleet across land to outflank the Byzantine navy in the Golden Horn was just unbelievable.....Even so the Byzantines exacted a high price on the Ottoman victory
The Fall of Constantinople in 1453 screwed with European/Christian psyche for centuries. Interestingly, Mehmet may have been as much Slavic as he was Turk. There were many in the Balkans though who were not sad to see the Byzantines finally vanquished.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:31 am to Boo Krewe
Any outrageous thing you could think of would have been accurate for Caligula.....the dude made decadence look conservative.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:50 am to RD Dawg
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When was this said? You said "complete fiction".What exactly is your definition of "complete fiction?"Pretty sure what my definition is
The movie was an outline of a real emperor who in fact rigged phoney gladiator fights he was involved in and his father, Marcus Aurelius was an actual person.Lucilla was a real person.And Rome fought in Germanic wars during that period. Sorry but it's not "complete fiction"...which means the entire story and characters were made up or a Novel like Ben Hur.
I mean,how do we know the details of any actual events that took place 2000+ years ago in any movie?
by that logic Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter wasn't complete fiction either.
Edit went back and read rest of the thread....damn you Freauxzen
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 12:19 pm to Tiger1242
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is the only answer.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 12:35 pm to KiwiHead
I want to write mehmed vs vlad after conquest of greece or serbia
trajan or hadrian would be good or Nero
english kings: henry 2 or edward 1, 2, 3 are interesting
asian wise, i want to read more about india, (mughal, ashoka) and china/japan would take me months
trajan or hadrian would be good or Nero
english kings: henry 2 or edward 1, 2, 3 are interesting
asian wise, i want to read more about india, (mughal, ashoka) and china/japan would take me months
Posted on 3/9/20 at 12:49 pm to CU_Tigers4life
yall need to watch centurion with fassbender
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