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re: Amazon put out a "superfans" video about LOTR: Rings of Power
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:29 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:29 pm to SammyTiger
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And the original LOTR was lily white, and I loved it. So it really doesn’t matter to me. But this is something new and the characters and narrative are less established. They are definitely going to have to take creative liberties to make
It a narrative TV show.
There lies the problem. What do you tell the "new audience" when they watch LOTR and the Hobbit for the first time because they got interested in it from this series and see no POC? This is not a alternate universe. This is established cannon. So you have minority characters in the beginning but they disappeared in the later movies?
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:31 pm to GeauxTigerTM
That clip is a perfect summation.
Big fan of that podcast.
Big fan of that podcast.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:31 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re being disingenuous if you think it doesn’t widen the audience.
It's clearly narrowed the audience based on actual fans balking at these moves.
Sam, listen...Amazon has already declared WHY they are doing these things, and has frick all to do with broadening an audience. They are all in on their DEI program, above anything else.
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Yes black people like Tolkien. But not all black people and not all white people. The point is to get more people to watch.
This is absurd. Tolkien's works are the seminal works in Fantasy and have been world renowned for 75+ years. Even if they had NOT been made into some of the biggest and most well received blockbuster movies of all time, they would still be enormously popular. To suggest that what's holding LOTR back from a wider audience is a lack of representation is simply astounding.
Amazon could have rolled out these shows and been faithful to Tolkien, and they have been just as popular or more so, because the only people bitching would have been Twitter activists who make up almost no actual audience. Instead, they opted to appease the vocal minority in favor of abandoning the fans which made the IP valuable to begin with.
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Plus there are quality actors and actresses out there that will keep getting shut out of good roles if you keep saying “sorry go write you own massively popular literary classic”
In what way is that the fault of either the original creator or the fans which came to love their works? You say this as if these classics are the only stories ever written.
Good things George Lucas didn't think that, or else we'd have never gotten Star Wars, right? Or any of the myriad of movies and TV shows we all grew up on that were not direct adaptations of previous works. At one point, Hollywood really was capable of creating new things...hard to believe at this point I know.
There are countless stories out there to be adapted, and countless more waiting to be written. Bastardizing old stories to fit in with today's political activism only ruins the original and ought to embarrass anyone talking those roles.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:32 pm to SammyTiger
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The first thing you said in this thread was that everything worked turns into shite. You’re upset.
Lol, that's just a truthful statement, no feelings expressed at all. Try having a conversation without trying to assign feelings to the other side. This discussion is academic to me, I was never going to watch this show, regardless of who is in it.
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Like this is about promoting a new original Al white project? It probably has occurred to you that black actors may want to be on these roles too. There is nothing superficial to this to them. That’s a real job.
Do all-white projects exist? It is superficial. You're putting a new, black face on an old character. If I re-made Dolemite as Whiteamite, would that be acceptable? Why would a black actor set aside his or her blackness to play a white role? If race is the be all, end all for Hollywood, why are blackface characters and no original properties acceptable? Black actors shouldn't be getting table scraps, go for the whole enchilada. What happened to FUBU? Nevermind that, put Idris Elba in Gandalf's robe.
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“They don’t have any white conservatives in movies!”
You added this little nugget long after I replied. When did I ever mention white conservatives?
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:33 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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What is the point of race swapping black actors into white roles? If race is not important, why do it? It's the lazy way to promote diversity on the surface only. They won't promote new and original black projects, but they will put Superman in blackface.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:36 pm to imjustafatkid
This obsession with representation and girl power is exhausting at this point.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:38 pm to LSUPERMAN
Peter Jackson established that cannon in his movie universe.
He’s not involved in this project. So tell them the Tb show and Movies are different interpretations of the source material.
How many different actors have you watched play Batman? Did you need that explained to you?
He’s not involved in this project. So tell them the Tb show and Movies are different interpretations of the source material.
How many different actors have you watched play Batman? Did you need that explained to you?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:44 pm to SammyTiger
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How many different actors have you watched play Batman? Did you need that explained to you?
By all means, explain. Sounds like you are the one upset, snowflake.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:45 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Do all-white projects exist?
Compare the Thor movies to Black Panther.
Thor was obviously based on Norse Mythology, which as far as I remember...featured pretty much white people. So, when drawn in the comics back in the day the characters looked exactly like what you'd expect from Norse Gods. And yet, when brought to film, Asgard looked like Brooklyn with it's diverse cast of characters, including featuring Idris Elba as Heimdall.
Flash forward to Black Panther which is set in the fictional land of Wakanda, and the cast looks like what any reasonable person would expect a cast to look like for a movie based in Africa.
Why the obvious double standard? Why is it not just correct, but also IMPORTANT, that one movie feature almost exclusively one race of actors while the other could never have done that ever?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:47 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Lol, that's just a truthful statement, no feelings expressed at all. Try having a conversation without trying to assign feelings to the other side. This discussion is academic to me, I was never going to watch this show, regardless of who is in it.
You assigned an OBJECTIVE quality. It’s your truth. It’s a reflection of how you feel about it. Maybe you’re fine with something you like being “shite”
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Do all-white projects exist? It is superficial. You're putting a new, black face on an old character. If I re-made Dolemite as Whiteamite, would that be acceptable? Why would a black actor set aside his or her blackness to play a white role? If race is the be all, end all for Hollywood, why are blackface characters and no original properties acceptable? Black actors shouldn't be getting table scraps, go for the whole enchilada. What happened to FUBU? Nevermind that, put Idris Elba in Gandalf's robe.
Again I ask, is the race of the actor important to the story? Dole mite might not make sense if he’s played by Michael Cera.
Is that the case here?
Also, you’re making the separate but equal argument. How’s that work in reality?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:50 pm to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
Print this thread off and walk around a black neighborhood and hand it out and just say “I got you fam”
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:54 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Well, in the movies Asgard isn’t actually Norse heaven. So making them all look like Norse people would imagine the gods isn’t as important.
And Wakanda is actually in Africa and is supposed to be a semi closed society.
And Wakanda is actually in Africa and is supposed to be a semi closed society.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:56 pm to SammyTiger
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How many different actors have you watched play Batman? Did you need that explained to you?
Terrible analogy.
As I explained earlier in the thread, having a vested interest in casting movies and tv shows based on previously loved source material is as old as time.
Take Superman for instance. You can close your eyes and picture him, can't you? If you say you can't, you're a liar.
He's tall, got dark/black hair and blue eyes. He's wearing a blue suit with a red cape with a big S on his chest. He's got on red boots as well. Oh...and he's white.
You don't change who Superman is to cast someone who wants to play him...you cast a person who can play Superman AS IS. Likewise, you can't change who he is...which is why Snyder caught such hell about the way he portrayed him.
None of that matters to me as a white person. It matters to me as a Superman fan, because altering those things alters the image you have of an established character, and one who was literally created in a visual medium.
As for Batman, tons of people have argued over casting for Batman for these very reasons. Hell, I was never on board with Christian Bale because he's too short!
Many people hated the idea of Val Kilmer playing him because he was blonde. This idea that this is all about race for those complaining about this stuff is just a diversionary tactic to avoid the topic at hand.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Well, in the movies Asgard isn’t actually Norse heaven.
Nor was it in the comics, and yet they resembled Vikings because of course they would have.
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And Wakanda is actually in Africa and is supposed to be a semi closed society.
Well, yeah I agree.
The issue is your ability to wave your hand at one and create an excuse for altering it and accept the other.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:02 pm to GeauxTigerTM
3,2,5,6,8,7,4,1
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:03 pm to SammyTiger
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You assigned an OBJECTIVE quality. It’s your truth. It’s a reflection of how you feel about it. Maybe you’re fine with something you like being “shite”
Stop trying to assign to me what I think and feel, it's just dumb. And when did I say I liked LOTR? The books were good, Jackson's movies bored me to tears. This new thing is an excuse to subvert Tolkien's world as a diversity experiment. It's social engineering mascarading as movie-making. It's gonna suck, because woke stuff is usually shite.
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Again I ask, is the race of the actor important to the story? Dole mite might not make sense if he’s played by Michael Cera. Is that the case here? Also, you’re making the separate but equal argument. How’s that work in reality?
If race isn't important, why change it? Do you really need to see a black dwarf or elf to validate your fandom and/or existence? I'm not making any sort of separate but equal argument, we're talking about movies.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:08 pm to imjustafatkid
I just can't buy the fact that 'IF' these losers or anyone in general can even read a wikipedia synopsis of LOTR or some other fantasy novel and think: "Gosh, I wish there were more people like me represented here" (*WHile reading about freaking Dwarves, Elves, Oarks and other fantastical beings) Makes no sense.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
You missed the point
Someone asked “how do you explain that there are POC in this show but not the movies”
They’re different takes on the same IP.
Just like the different Batman movies.
Just like I wasn’t surprised when the LOTR characters were animated by Ralph Bakshi. This isn’t produced or directed by Peter Jackson.
Someone asked “how do you explain that there are POC in this show but not the movies”
They’re different takes on the same IP.
Just like the different Batman movies.
Just like I wasn’t surprised when the LOTR characters were animated by Ralph Bakshi. This isn’t produced or directed by Peter Jackson.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:18 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Thor was obviously based on Norse Mythology, which as far as I remember...featured pretty much white people. So, when drawn in the comics back in the day the characters looked exactly like what you'd expect from Norse Gods. And yet, when brought to film, Asgard looked like Brooklyn with it's diverse cast of characters, including featuring Idris Elba as Heimdall.
I think the complaint about diversity usually is when somebody inferior is placed in a role because of their diversity over more capable people.
Elba is one of the best and most capable actors out there, thus there were not complaints.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:19 pm to 3nOut
They should make the hobbits tall so that tall people can feel represented
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