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re: Amazon put out a "superfans" video about LOTR: Rings of Power
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:20 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:20 pm to Hester Carries
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They should make the hobbits tall so that tall people can feel represented
The tall characters weren’t enough?
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:22 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Stop trying to assign to me what I think and feel, it's just dumb. And when did I say I liked LOTR? The books were good, Jackson's movies bored me to tears. This new thing is an excuse to subvert Tolkien's world as a diversity experiment. It's social engineering mascarading as movie-making. It's gonna suck, because woke stuff is usually shite.
But what do you think? I ask Because apparently I can’t take anything you say in context because you’re a fricking contrarian dick.
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If race isn't important, why change it? Do you really need to see a black dwarf or elf to validate your fandom and/or existence? I'm not making any sort of separate but equal argument, we're talking about movies.
I believe Diversity is good.
If race doesn’t change the story then why not have some diversity?
And that’s consistently been what I’m saying. It’s not important TO THE Story.
Unless it is.
I’m open to an actual arguement that these characters bring black will derail the narrative or any major themes of the source material.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:29 pm to SammyTiger
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The tall characters weren’t enough?
Tall people shouldn’t be able to play hobbits if they want????
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:38 pm to Hester Carries
Tall people can play hobbits it’s all Forced perspective and CGI
I’ll break a little movie magic to you: Gandalf is only 4 inches taller than Samwise
I’ll break a little movie magic to you: Gandalf is only 4 inches taller than Samwise
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:39 pm to SammyTiger
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But what do you think? I ask Because apparently I can’t take anything you say in context because you’re a fricking contrarian dick.
Now, now, Sammy, name-calling isn't necessary. I've remained cordial to you, return the favor. I told you before, this discussion is academic to me. I don't mind discussing race stuff with people. I don't get upset about it, I mostly see the absurdity of it.
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I believe Diversity is good. If race doesn’t change the story then why not have some diversity? And that’s consistently been what I’m saying. It’s not important TO THE Story. Unless it is. I’m open to an actual arguement that these characters bring black will derail the narrative or any major themes of the source material.
I am also for diversity, but not in the way it is forced on people today. People get along better when they are allowed to form associations naturally instead of it being pushed on them. Diversity, as practiced today by corporations, Hollywood, etc., is purposefully divisive.
If it is not important to the story, then why change it? It's not their story to change. Present the story as conceived by the author. The race-swapping thing has derailed the narrative because the focus becomes race when there's no need for it. No one complained about diversity in Game of Thrones. I would gladly stare at Missandei bathing.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:45 pm to SammyTiger
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Tall people can play hobbits it’s all Forced perspective and CGI I’ll break a little movie magic to you: Gandalf is only 4 inches taller than Samwise
I would have no problem with black actors playing these roles if they were CGI’d to be white.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:46 pm to Hester Carries
I would say that part of the story involves
Hobbits being small and unassuming so a 6’6” Hobbit would effect the narrative.
Maybe you can share a way a black elf effects the narrative?
Hobbits being small and unassuming so a 6’6” Hobbit would effect the narrative.
Maybe you can share a way a black elf effects the narrative?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:48 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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I would gladly stare at Missandei bathing.
Finally, something in this thread everyone can agree on!
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:49 pm to SammyTiger
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Maybe you can share a way a black elf effects the narrative?
We’ve already done this dude.
Yeah. How did this black elf come to be? Did he have black elf parents? Why are there different ethnicities of elves? Do elves not procreate across racial lines? Is there racial strife amongst elves? Where are all the other black elves?
If this is simply about giving opportunities to black actors, why not CGI them white?
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:53 pm to SammyTiger
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What changes when they’re black though?
King Arthur IS British mythology. If he’s played by a black guy that’s a cosmetic change. If he doesn’t pull a fricking sword from a stone that’s a much bigger change. If the actor can’t act that’s just bad TV. But you can still portray the themes of the Matter of Britain.
No, it's not cosmetic. Tolkien's goal was to start an mythology through the ancient history of Britain and Europe. I'm sorry, but this undermines that. You don't have a fricking clue about this series.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:53 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Now, now, Sammy, name-calling isn't necessary. I've remained cordial to you, return the favor. I told you before, this discussion is academic to me. I don't mind discussing race stuff with people. I don't get upset about it, I mostly see the absurdity of it.
What’s absurd about a black elf?
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I am also for diversity, but not in the way it is forced on people today.
“Forced” as in some characters in a show they didn’t make are black?
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People get along better when they are allowed to form associations naturally
How do you make natural associations to a fictional world? You literally cannot.
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Diversity, as practiced today by corporations, Hollywood, etc., is purposefully divisive.
Ok.
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If it is not important to the story, then why change it? It's not their story to change.
It literally is.
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Present the story as conceived by the author.
That’s not how adaptations work.
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The race-swapping thing has derailed the narrative because the focus becomes race when there's no need for it.
Only by people Who can’t get over race. My whole point is if the writing good it’s
Dumb to get caught up in this and not enjoy the show.
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No one complained about diversity in Game of Thrones. I would gladly stare at Missandei bathing.
And no one should complain in LOTR.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Only by people Who can’t get over race.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Yeah I do.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:57 pm to Hester Carries
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Yeah. How did this black elf come to be? Did he have black elf parents? Why are there different ethnicities of elves? Do elves not procreate across racial lines? Is there racial strife amongst elves? Where are all the other black elves?
I will Answer that one question at a time
1. Some elves are black
2. Probably 1 black elf parent at least.
3. Why are there different ethnicity of humans? Why do eleven have different hair colors?
4. Does the existence of a black elf mean they don’t procreate across racial lines?
5. Hopefully not. Because that would be something that derails the narrative.
6. I think There are a couple black elves in the show. I assume The other black elves are where the other white elves are.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:58 pm to SammyTiger
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I loved the LOTR movies. Because there were swords and monsters and action and magic.
That there is definitive proof you don't understand Tolkien's works. Thats why teenagers love Lord of the Rings. Adults, no.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 3:59 pm to OMLandshark
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That there is definitive proof you don't understand Tolkien's works. Thats why teenagers love Lord of the Rings. Adults, no.
Ok cool.
You clearly Loved it for its ethnic purity.
I assume so because you literally refuse to actually have a conversation.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 4:05 pm to SammyTiger
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1. Some elves are black 2. Probably 1 black elf parent at least. 3. Why are there different ethnicity of humans? Why do eleven have different hair colors? 4. Does the existence of a black elf mean they don’t procreate across racial lines? 5. Hopefully not. Because that would be something that derails the narrative. 6. I think There are a couple black elves in the show. I assume The other black elves are where the other white elves are.
Wait so your rationale is essentially “same way it is for humans”?
And yet “there can be black humans” is NOT how it works for humans. There are THOUSANDS of years of complicated human history that explain the diverse ethnic mix of regional populations. Black people dont just “exist” in say….texas. Lol
Posted on 2/24/22 at 4:11 pm to Scruffy
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Avatar the Last Airbender had only Asian characters.
It was one of the most successful cartoons of all time.
The live action show will have zero white people.
Fans of the show would be absolutely furious if they cast white people, which is one of the reasons everyone hated the M Night movie.
They are knocking the casting out of the park and it is expected to be a huge franchise.
The point is, it can be a completely unimportant thing, when it is allowed to simply be an unimportant thing.
Exactly. Fans of that show have been fairly ecstatic about the casting even if they're apprehensive of the upcoming live action show. I was pissed back in the day when they whitewashed Avatar because it undermined the source material which was a fantasy rooted in the Second Sino Japanese War. You change them to white, then that changes everything and the major context of the series. Instead it switched it to Europeans vs Middle Easterners, which makes no sense.
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That's good casting right there and makes sense within the context of it's universe. This live action Lord of the Rings does not.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 4:11 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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First Star Wars and now this.
Well, not exactly. There was Ghostbusters 2016. Star Trek Discovery, Picard, Charlie's Angels 2019, Terminator Woke Fate, Doctor Who, aka Jodie Whitaker's Time Karen, Birds of Prey, The CW's Batwahman, Wonder Woman 1984, He-Man and the Adventures of Teela, every single D+ Avengers series... it's a long list.
*Oh yeah, and don't forget Cowboy Bebop!
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 4:13 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re being disingenuous if you think it doesn’t widen the audience.
They're not even going to have an audience since the Woke at large don't like Lord of the Rings finding it too tedious and Western. When you try to appeal to everyone, then you have no identity, morals, or principles, and thus you end up pissing off everyone.
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Plus there are quality actors and actresses out there that will keep getting shut out of good roles if you keep saying “sorry go write you own massively popular literary classic”
Scruffy and I have pointed out Avatar which is based on Eastern values and history in the same manner Middle Earth is with the West. Yes, you can go and make your own. You can celebrate and pay tribute to cultures outside your own and people from all over the world will be able to love it. I don't need Aang to look like me to sympathize with his plight anymore than an Asian person can with Frodo.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 4:47 pm
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