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re: 22 Years after the release of American History X- how do you feel about it ?

Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:57 pm to
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Have more folks in the middle (which reflects reality) as opposed to 2-dimensional extremes with only the main character moving along the axis.

I’m usually all about moderation and people being centrist. The thing is most everyone in this movie is a nazi, a black radical, or related to/friends/dating a nazi or black radical, it’s unlikely those people would fall in the middle
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:11 pm to
and the movie did handle the topic with nuance. derek and danny werent neo nazis because they were dumb ignorant fools who were born with hate in their hearts. derek was shaped by his fathers views and murder. danny was subsequently shaped by derek and cameron alexander. their reasons are not superficial, they are fleshed out. and we absolutely do get people not involved in either extreme side in this movie like mr sweeney and their moms boyfriend and dereks prison friend
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
Member since Jul 2011
23775 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:18 pm to
Well, I’m sure as hell glad they didn’t go with that original ending.

I think it’s better not to show what happens to Derek after his brother’s murder. Maybe he’s haunted by his past decisions and influence on Danny. Maybe he reverts back to his old ways. Leave it ambiguous.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:57 pm to
Man that’s a great response and most of these guys will ignore it bc they have no retort, well done
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:39 pm to
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How did the racial stuff hold the film back? Isn’t that like the whole point of the film?
Exactly. It would be like saying that Remember the Titans should have avoided the main conflict as well.

American History X and Remember the Titans are not deliberately white shaming like more current movies can have imo.

This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:53 pm to
I think Mr Sweeney represented the idea that you always have to KEEP THINKING and not turn your mind over to some group. Never give your individual identity over to the group . Also every single person in the movie lost in the end, including the black shooter . We saw the regret and fear in his eyes after he did the deed. And all of us thought now this cycle begins for his family. The single exception to this was Derek’s black friend in prison. He represented grace. He won because he brought somebody to the light.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted by CuyahogaTigerJr
Northeast ohio
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:54 pm to
Seen it once when I was young that curb stomping god dammmmmmn
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150152 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:14 pm to
I agree with that
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:11 pm to
Don’t steal and you won’t get your brains stomped out.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:19 pm to
Kinda like Full Metal Jacket where the 1st half is way better than the second half.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:25 pm to
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American History X and Remember the Titans are deliberately white shaming like more current movies can have imo.


I didn’t see American History X as “white shaming”, more like shaming hardcore skinhead neo nazis. Or just hardcore racism in general. If they wanted to white shame, they would have focused on more “normal” people who do racist things
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68833 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:28 pm to
A layer of dread for sure.
there was a constant sense of impending tragedy.
Posted by Samson
Wildcat Spur, TN
Member since Feb 2020
348 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:42 pm to
I like it, although I don't really care for Ethan Suplee's character -- he's too over the top. I also didn't buy the notion that Danny would be afraid of Sweeney's threats.

My favorite scene was the "make-up sex" scene.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 5:45 pm
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12292 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:03 pm to
Amazing movie and Norton's best performance, but his crying after Danny gets shot is on par with Brad Pitt's "what's in the box" in Seven
Posted by Ryan3232
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:23 pm to
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I didn’t see American History X as “white shaming”, more like shaming hardcore skinhead neo nazis. Or just hardcore racism in general. If they wanted to white shame, they would have focused on more “normal” people who do racist things
yeah my point is that it ISNT white shaming, but im sure some will look at it like that.


Edit: I had a typo. Meant to throw a “not” in there.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 7:12 pm
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:45 pm to
It's incredible to me how many people miss the entire point of the movie.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:51 pm to
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Norton's best performance IM
primal fear is his best
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:52 pm to
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. They had the talent (obviously) to do more nuanced things with it.
completely misses the entire point of the movie
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86173 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:35 pm to
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It's incredible to me how many people miss the entire point of the movie.



What’s the entire point of the movie that was missed ? I mean it’s many points are all pretty obvious, aren’t they ? I mean, any movie that ends with a quote as a summation isn’t too hard to figure out, right?

quote:

"We are not enemies but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained It must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be by the better angels of our nature." ~ Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8112 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 12:59 am to
One of my all time favorite movies and one of the most memorable acting performances.
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