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22 Years after the release of American History X- how do you feel about it ?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:11 am
I recently watched this again and was surprised again at how well this was done. Sure there is some cliched racial stuff in there , but the performances ( especially Ed Norton in his prime) were excellent, it was well scripted, beautifully shot between black and white and color , and it had a layer of dread/malevolence hanging over it that really works.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 11:14 am
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:13 am to Lsupimp
It's one of my favorites. I recently watched it as well, and it still holds up. Norton is awesome.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:17 am to Lsupimp
The basketball dunking scene still makes me laugh.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:21 am to Lsupimp
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cliched racial stuff in there
Only thing that really hold the film back at all. Ed Norton was fantastic.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:35 am to Lsupimp
Bite the curb!
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:38 am to LasVegasTiger
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The basketball dunking scene still makes me laugh.
It's so terrible.
There's a lot similarity here.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:40 am to Lsupimp
I always wanted to trump to just quote the speech about Mexicans just to see the world freak out
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:43 am to Ace Midnight
How did the racial stuff hold the film back? Isn’t that like the whole point of the film?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:49 am to Ace Midnight
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cliched racial stuff in there
Only thing that really hold the film back at all.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:50 am to Tiger1242
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How did the racial stuff hold the film back?
The "cliched" stuff. They might as well has put a Snidely Whiplash hat and mustache on Stacy Keach. They had the talent (obviously) to do more nuanced things with it. They just didn't choose to go that way. It's lazy and detracts from an otherwise excellent film.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:59 am to Tiger1242
Obviously, the futility and self- destructiveness of racial extremism is the central point of the movie . I meant the way it’s kind of archetypal. And not just for the white primary character, but also for the black characters. Understand?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:07 pm to Ace Midnight
how exactly should the film have been more nuanced in its depiction of race issues?
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:09 pm to Lsupimp
Meh. Just another one of the hacky race films that Hollywood loves to make.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:09 pm to Lsupimp
i took the central theme more as: violence brings about violence and that you need to be able to accept other people without always looking for revenge whenever you feel wronged
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:12 pm to WestCoastAg
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how exactly should the film have been more nuanced in its depiction of race issues?
Have more folks in the middle (which reflects reality) as opposed to 2-dimensional extremes with only the main character moving along the axis.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:13 pm to WestCoastAg
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i took the central theme more as: violence brings about violence and that you need to be able to accept other people without always looking for revenge whenever you feel wronged
Well, it did that fairly well. I mean, I'm not shitting on the film, but the cliche stuff is jarring in an otherwise excellent film.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
there are all of these movies that take the time to fully flesh out and follow every single character in the movie on their own paths to personal betterment
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:28 pm to WestCoastAg
That too.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:50 pm to Lsupimp
great movie should have used the original ending:
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The original film ends after Danny (Edward Furlong) is shot by a black student (whose brother was killed by Derek (Edward Norton) earlier in the film). In Kaye's version, after this we are taken to a scene in the family apartment where the detectives are trying to comfort Danny's grieving mother and sister. The camera then pans away and cuts to a scene in the bathroom. We see the sink filled with hair and an electric razor next to it. Derek is stood there with his head shaved - he stares in the mirror and looks at the swastika on his chest, before pulling out a pistol. The film ends on a shot of Derek's sick smile, the same smile we saw when he was arrested for his murders earlier in the film.'
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:57 pm to Lsupimp
Norton's best performance IMO. And he's had a ton of them.
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