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re: 22 Years after the release of American History X- how do you feel about it ?

Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:56 pm to
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I'm just curious why people like this movie so much when the people the movie is about, and the subject matter in it, is fricking loathsome.


You know it’s possible to make good movies about bad people right? Not every movie has a basic protagonist vs antagonist POV and if you can enjoy any other unique perspectives thru storytelling then you simply don’t enjoy movies that much
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:58 pm to
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You know it’s possible to make good movies about bad people right?


Let's look at great television:

The Sopranos

The Shield

Breaking Bad


All of those are about criminals who convince themselves that they do more good than bad, rationalizing despicable behavior up to homicide along the way. All of them tell excellent stories in the process. St. Alfonzo "doesn't get" those, either, I suppose.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Honestly, I can't answer that. I have never seen the whole movie and what I did see was over 20 years ago. Have you seen Higher Learning? What are your thoughts on that movie, if you have seen it?


I have not seen Higher Learning. I tend to not watch movies that are overtly about racial discord/conflict. Not really my cup of tea, hence the inquiry into why people seem to like them so much.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Have more folks in the middle (which reflects reality) as opposed to 2-dimensional extremes with only the main character moving along the axis.

Danny's mother, sister, teacher, Murray, Lamont the inmate- all folks in the middle whoninfluenced Derek to let go of the extreme
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Do you like Tarantino films, particularly post-Jackie Brown? They're all rooted in hate, bigotry and revenge.


I wonder how he feels about anti heroes? He must have fricking hated Unforgiven.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:00 pm to
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wonder how he feels about anti heroes? He must have fricking hated Unforgiven.


I would say he would be more of a transformers kind of guy bc it’s straight “good vs bad” kind of story telling

But he requires that he knows a decepticon IRL before enjoying something like that
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:00 pm to
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Danny's mother, sister, teacher, Murray, Lamont the inmate- all folks in the middle whoninfluenced Derek to let go of the extreme



That's true. I should probably watch the movie again so it is fresh before I snipe at it much more in here.

Those parts don't really stick with you (like the caricatures), but that's expected as well. First, last, and extremity bias is a natural human thing.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:01 pm to
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Do you like Tarantino films, particularly post-Jackie Brown? They're all rooted in hate, bigotry and revenge.


I do not. Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarantino movie. Django and Inglorious were good for one viewing only. I consider them racial revenge porn.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:01 pm to
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Django and Inglorious were good for one viewing only. I consider them racial revenge porn.


Posted by Dooder73
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:03 pm to
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I have not seen Higher Learning. I tend to not watch movies that are overtly about racial discord/conflict. Not really my cup of tea, hence the inquiry into why people seem to like them so much.



Okay, I watch movies to be entertained. The world sure isn't all sunshine and rainbows, that's for sure. Movies like you describe are usually over the top in their depictions of people.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:05 pm to
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Django and Inglorious were good for one viewing only. I consider them racial revenge porn.


And, see, I get that and am not the biggest fan of Django. On the other hand, I don't assume that everyone who enjoys the film is some sort of racist, either.

I mean, you've beaten around the bush here. Others have asked you for clarification and thus far you've demurred.

Are you suggesting that only White Supremacists/White Racists can enjoy American History X? Spit it out.

Because if that's the case, you're going to have questions for fans of Halloween, Downfall and The Wolf of Wall Street (among others).
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:10 pm to
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And, see, I get that and am not the biggest fan of Django. On the other hand, I don't assume that everyone who enjoys the film is some sort of racist, either. I mean, you've beaten around the bush here. Others have asked you for clarification and thus far you've demurred. Are you suggesting that only White Supremacists/White Racists can enjoy American History X? Spit it out. Because if that's the case, you're going to have questions for fans of Halloween, Downfall and The Wolf of Wall Street (among others).


I've not accused anyone of being racists or white supremacists. I've only asked why there is a fascination with films about racial hatred.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:12 pm to
The extreme sentiments exist in compartmentalized bubbles which Derek learns to avoid rather than seek out. In prison, he and the skin heads took mutual initiative to link up- the other prisoners are black and mean mug Derek, but whether there was animosity of not- the inmates gave Derek a wide berth out of respect for whatever arrangement Lamont brokered.
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:14 pm to
Him going back to being a Nazi would’ve been a terrible ending. It completely shits on the hero’s journey
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:15 pm to
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I've only asked why there is a fascination with films about racial hatred.


Negative emotions make for the best drama.

Look no further than Shakespeare.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:21 pm to
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I've only asked why there is a fascination with films about racial hatred.
nobody is saying racial hatred is fascinating, you goober. if the movie was nothing but a big ole turn of the millennium version of triumph of the will, people wouldnt like it. a study of where deeply held ideas of the self come from are interesting. a study of how one can completely change their central outlook on life is interesting

thats why people like the movie
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Dooder73
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:21 pm to
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Negative emotions make for the best drama.

Look no further than Shakespeare.



Very true
Posted by RockAndRollDetective
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:30 pm to
This movie tops my list of well-made and compelling and I never, ever want to see it again. I've never been as thoroughly depressed by a movie in my whole life. And that includes Requiem For A Dream.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:38 pm to
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I've not accused anyone of being racists or white supremacists. I've only asked why there is a fascination with films about racial hatred.


The thesis of American History X is that hatred in general is rooted in past trauma and that by using hatred to cope, we actively compound our own suffering. Letting go is hard because it is a passive action. Blood debt is a vicious cycle which will become exponentially more turbulent with every circuit. In moments of grief, fear,panic it is difficult to see that not doing anything at all is an option, because the consequences of a nonaction cannot be quantified
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30266 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:41 pm to
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nobody is saying racial hatred is fascinating, you goober.


Hollywood, and box office results, says otherwise. Look at the movie that is being discussed in this thread or those that have been mentioned like Higher Learning, Django and Inglorious. Then look at most of Spike Lee's films and recent films like Get Out or Slim and Queen. The Watchmen series on HBO. Or any of the racial discrimination movies that Bill Burr talks about in this bit.

LINK

Race movies are their own genre of film, clearly enough people are fascinated with them that they just keep making the damn things. Like Bill, I'm basically saying that race movies are rarely good and they probably shouldn't make any more of them.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 3:03 pm
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