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re: WNBA pro: Trans players in women's sports are not a problem

Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
7773 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:44 pm to
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And that is also why more than 1,000 college athletes have signed letters supporting letting trans kids play sports with their friends.


Is this supposed to be a lot?
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:44 pm to
i feel like she started with an issues and talking points list on a white board and her goal was to incorporate as many of them in her essay as she could
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64026 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:47 pm to
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What would be the highest level of men's team her team could beat? G-League? NCAA tournament team? Non-tournament D1 team?


If a G-league team was going balls to the wall on defense they would hold them to single digit points scored. Any D-1 men’s team would beat them by 50+
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
2594 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:51 pm to
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her points about treatment of male versus female athletes by the NCAA is valid, they should be bound to equal treatment of amateur athletes in an extracurricular setting.


They should absolutely be treated equally by the ncaa. But as for outside sponsors and media coverage, they are owed nothing. Bring in more money and be more popular if you want the extras the men get.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:59 pm to
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They should absolutely be treated equally by the ncaa. But as for outside sponsors and media coverage, they are owed nothing. Bring in more money and be more popular if you want the extras the men get.


exactly
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21835 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:09 pm to
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What would be the highest level of men's team her team could beat? G-League? NCAA tournament team? Non-tournament D1 team?

Let her truly answer that question and then reconsider her essay.

ETA: I think they would struggle to compete with a high level AAU team.
A high level AAU team would absolutely destroy a WNBA team. I don’t even think it would be all that close of a game against most average high school varisty squads. Size, strength and speed advantages would be too much to overcome.
Posted by Cajunhawk81
Member since Jan 2021
2511 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:11 pm to
Juwanna Man dunking Trans nuts on Brianna Turner's face must happen. Ultimate FAFO
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28183 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:01 pm to
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As a Black woman and athlete, I have faced many challenges to equality in sports.


Absolutely. Because if there is one area of society black people have faced challenges accessing, it's basketball.

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In 2021, upon witnessing the absolutely unequal treatment between the women's and men’s teams during the NCAA’s March Madness tournament, I reached a breaking point. I could not believe what I was seeing: The men had access to a massive gym with fancy equipment, while the women had free weights and yoga mats. The women received less food, and of a lower quality and variety, than the men, and the men even received outside sponsors for catering that were not extended to women’s teams. The men had access to outdoor space at the height of a pandemic, the women did not — the list goes on and on and is outlined in painstaking detail by the law firm commissioned to do an external audit of all of the NCAA’s gender equity practices.


The men's tournament generates nearly a BILLION dollars in revenue for the NCAA. That constitutes something like 80% of the NCAA's TOTAL yearly revenue. The women's tournament generates a fraction of that. And it would generate even less if there wasn't a constant push by a vocal minority in society implying you are a horrible person if you aren't interested in women's basketball.

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At the same time this was happening, dozens of states across the country — including Texas — were working to ban kids from playing sports with their friends, all under the banner of “protecting women’s sports.” I was floored. I actually think I laughed out loud. Keeping transgender women and girls out of sports is not protecting me or helping any women athletes.


Think about the stupidity of this statement. Working to prohibit men/boys from playing womens/girls sports doesn't protect women's sports. If boys were allowed to play women's sports there would be no women's sports. It would just be "sports", with rosters dominated by men/boys due to the fact they were physically superior athletes on the whole. Particularly basketball where physical ability is paramount. No matter how skilled she is, a 5'8' 140 lb woman is going to be physically dominated by even an average college basketball player who is 7 inches taller, 40 lbs heavier, and can jump higher.

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If we want to protect women’s sports, we need to address the very real inequities that women athletes are talking about every single day. These include: lack of equal pay for women athletes, far less media coverage of women’s sports,


When the commercial interest in women's sports equals that of men's sports, I'm sure the pay will be equal as will the media coverage.

But here's an inconvenient truth morons like this "crusader" refuse to acknowledge because it destroys their already flimsy rationale. There are a greater number of women than men in the United State. Thus, if the majority of women in the country were deeply invested in watching/consuming women's sports it would be FAR more commercially successful. Yet, it isn't. At all. Why?

BECAUSE THE FEMALE MARKETPLACE DOESN'T GIVE A shite ABOUT WOMEN'S SPORTS from a commercial standpoint.

This isn't a complicated "problem" to figure out. We currently live in the most "equitable" time in the course of human history. Yet, because there is an insatiable need for some to ALWAYS have some sort of "crusade", the rest of us have to constant listen to arguments wholly devoid of logic simply to satisfy their dual need to both be a victim and crusader. It was already illogical enough before the "trans movement" entered the discussion. Now these idiots want you to suspend all logic and accept the notion that a male can be female based on NOTHING more than a subjective belief.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110476 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:02 pm to
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As we cheer on our favorite teams and athletes in the March Madness tournaments here in Texas, I can’t help but think of the transgender kids in our state who will never get the chance to play the sport they love.

Wait, why can't they play the sport they love exactly? I'm confused.
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At the same time this was happening, dozens of states across the country — including Texas — were working to ban kids from playing sports with their friends, all under the banner of “protecting women’s sports.” I was floored. I actually think I laughed out loud. Keeping transgender women and girls out of sports is not protecting me or helping any women athletes.

Same question, can someone link me to people being banned from playing sports?
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6167 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:03 pm to
you can't tell me we couldn't find a few journeymen former NCAA players that are bouncing around eastern Europe to claim to be trannies and come back and just dominate.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10431 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:04 pm to
It always amazed me when athletes ignore the fact that some leagues get better treatment and perks, because they bring in money for those things. If you want equality, then you have to bring equally to the table, and that is not happening in the NCAA nor with the WNBA.

This is not to say there are not real issues here. It is simply expecting to be treated as if there is no difference between what each brings in. That is simply not how the world works.

Reality is that she likely doesn't give a single damn about the trans-athletes rights and is just using it as an excuse to try and get more financial and perks equality for women's sports. If this is the route she wants to go, so be it. It is her right, but neither of those issues have anything to do with one another, and simply because you are one of the elite women athletes that is less affected by the genetic differences, does not mean it is simply okay to ignore them.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110476 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:04 pm to
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ETA: I think they would struggle to compete with a high level AAU team.

Think much lower. A high level AAU team will have dudes who will excel in D1, and also dudes who are like 6'10" 250lbs.

They would be able to pick the score and beat the best women in the world by however much they wanted.



The best women in the world could definitely beat high school teams, but not any high school team, and certainly not a hand picked group of same of the best high schoolers.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
29951 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:37 pm to
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If we want to protect women’s sports, we need to address the very real inequities that women athletes are talking about every single day. These include: lack of equal pay for women


Sounds like she’s using trans to push her own agenda


And, there it is. She cynically uses a topic she knows plays well in the media and her social circles, transgender lunacy, to selfishly guilt trip people to line her own pockets.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12288 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:37 pm to
What equality issues do “black athletes” have that she feels are so challenging..

Let’s be honest especially regarding basketball that black athletes are moved to the front of the line based on stereotypes
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
10110 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:43 pm to

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She'll change her tune the second she gets a windmill slam in her face



Windmill to the face followed by the helicopter cock while standing over her
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
24414 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:59 pm to
This shite won't change until WNBA players are getting the balls of some 6'7 dude named Tina smacked against their foreheads over and over as they get dunked on all game
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21302 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:05 pm to
I just don’t get the equal pay thing. Unless all mens salaries are brought down, you can’t financially afford to pay the women that much because they don’t even generate enough to cover that. They can’t cover their salaries as is without the mens subsidies. It’s just a reality.

Likewise sponsors and the NCAA don’t invest as much in the sport again because the more they invest, the more $ they lose because they can’t get the profit back from that investment.

It is so simple and clear with just some basic math. I totally get the frustration and jealousy. But the world they’re asking for just can’t exist by basic laws of economics. It’s literally as simple as that. It’s completely different from potentially underpaying two like employees who work for the same company.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21302 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:11 pm to
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They should absolutely be treated equally by the ncaa. But as for outside sponsors and media coverage, they are owed nothing. Bring in more money and be more popular if you want the extras the men get.


The NCAA subsidizes that tournament as is. It is not a money maker. The more they invest at this point the more they lose. At some point insolvency becomes a legitimate concern because the money has to come from somewhere. And it isn’t coming from the actual product they’re investing more in.
Posted by ThePistol
Lafayette, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1506 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:37 pm to
A WNBA team could not win a high school state championship in Louisiana in 5A, 4A, 3A, D1, or D2 and Louisiana is not a great high school basketball state.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12454 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Let’s be honest especially regarding basketball that black athletes are moved to the front of the line based on stereotypes


There is a Morgan Stanley commercial that airs nonstop during golf broadcasts where a series of girls and black men say that when you picture golfers or financial advisors, you don't picture them. They could make that commercial for basketball with white dudes. It's always a shock when a white guy is anything more than a 3 and D guy.
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