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Undertow
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
What some of you don’t understand is that it wouldn’t matter if the hitter went opposite field or laid down a bunt. The defense would still consider that a win and it would not in the least discourage further shifting on said batter.

It would be something as simple as requiring 2 infielders to be on either side of second base and in the dirt. Moderate shifts would still be implemented. Basketball has illegal defense. Football has rules requiring a certain number of players be on the line of scrimmage. I don’t understand people’s problem with it.
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Alt26
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
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It’s easier said than done

Just taking into account that all position players aside it’s very hard to get a hit in the first place, taking a ball opposite field, while the pitchers is throwing you balls inside hard is very difficult.


Sure it is. But that's no reason to change the rules. If a team hates that it's players keep hitting into shifts, then you go out and find players that are more adept at hitting to all parts of the field. If that happens, the shift goes away.

The evolution of sports is a matter of adaptation...doing something a different way than your competitor in order to have success.


SammyTiger
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
Most players can’t take an inside fastball opposite field.



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shel311
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
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What some of you don’t understand is that it wouldn’t matter if the hitter went opposite field or laid down a bunt. The defense would still consider that a win and it would not in the least discourage further shifting on said batter.
Nah.

No team would gladly take a player going 4 for 4 with 4 singles and a couple of RBI.


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BigPerm30
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
If the frickers could bunt down the 3rd base line it would eliminate many of these.


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Adam Banks
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
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What some of you don’t understand is that it wouldn’t matter if the hitter went opposite field or laid down a bunt. The defense would still consider that a win and it would not in the least discourage further shifting on said batter.



I already addressed this. I bet you are all in on OBP as well (mind you I’m not downplaying OBP)

Gallo could have an OBP and average of 1 if he bunted down the 3rd baseline.


Quidam65
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
This will be fun to enforce.

What would stop me from keeping the 2B in a deep position (like in current shifts) but keeping the SS (or 3B in the SS position) only one step to the left of second base? Then running over when the pitcher starts his motion to the plate?


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WestCoastAg
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
i mean people obviously dont want him to get on base every single time and if he was going out there and bunting every single time down the third baseline and getting on base, then people would obviously stop shifting on him

you are playing a game of averages. you are fine with him trying to bunt because you dont think he can get the bunt down enough to make it an effective strategy against you. if he does it, you are fine with that. cause in that one at bat you will take it because you dont think he can do so repetitively. if he continues to do so, then you will see a change in how people play him


tigercubs
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
Before we know it, the pitcher will have to announce what pitch he’s about to throw.


Adam Banks
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if he was going out there and bunting every single time down the third baseline and getting on base, then people would obviously stop shifting on him


Which is what I am saying/advocating for and why banning the shift is dumb. It’s asinine for a guy like that who can still move around the diamond at a decent clip to not hit 1.000 until the defense adjusts. It’s one thing to ask Brian McCann to do it but Gallo or others? There’s an easy way to stop them shifting and it absolutely has to be statistically better for the team. I can get that learning to go the other way against major league pitching with a full swing is difficult but laying down a bunt should be an essential skill at this time for a left handed power hitter.
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1ranter1
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
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why? Seems like it introduces an element of strategy to the game


I don’t agree with it, but limiting the number of shift would create some interesting strategic moves.

Do you use one of your shifts on Bryce Harper in the first inning or do you save them all for the late innings? Could be intriguing.


Dire Wolf
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
This is retarded big government style nonsense.



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Hester Carries
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
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Hitters need to adjust instead of just going all in on the launch angle.


you know how hard it is to do that when a pitcher is pitching to the shift?

That being said it shouldnt be outlawed.


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LSUFanHouston
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
Football has formation limits, for example, must have so many offensive players on the LoS.

The Astros do it all the time, and I love my team, but it's goofy and I feel like it rarely works.

I would not put too many rules on it, though. Maybe one that says, outside of the pitcher and catcher, you must have at least one IF and one OF on each side of a line extending from the back of the pitcher's mound, through second base, to dead center field fence.


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teke184
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
:eye roll:

Don’t like shifts? Take advantage of them until they stop doing it.


It’s legal, isn’t dangerous, and has an element of risk for the defense by throwing so many players in one area.


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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
This is dumb. It's like the old NBA illegal defense rules.

You should be able to align your players anywhere you want on the field.

You should be able to put 6 guys in right field if you wanted.


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McCaigBro69
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
The amount of people who think going the opposite way is somewhat easy is ridiculous in this thread. You can really tell who actually has played the game.


chalmetteowl
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
This has more to do with scouting and technology available than it does the players... Its too easy to pull up the spray charts online and sort them, which leads to an emphasis on home runs since a shift can't stop them, which leads to strikeouts, and more walks, since you have fewer base hits, which leads to a more boring game.


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ShaneTheLegLechler
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
It’s not, but not being able to do so effectively is still a weakness for a big league player and the league trying to artificially neutralize that is BS.

There were a couple posts earlier about “pitching to the shift”. I’ve read articles showing teams don’t do that at all. The guys who are heavily shifted still hit into it regardless of pitch type/location.


stapuffmarshy
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re: MLB considering putting an end to, or limiting, defensive shifts
Stop trying to hit every pitch 800 feet pulled down the line so you can do a bat flip.

A single is still a hit. I dislike the idea of more rules more than I dislike the idea of giving up sports all together


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