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re: Big ten sources expecting PSU to bolt for ACC, Virginia and Kansas to big ten
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:10 am to molsusports
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:10 am to molsusports
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ND, PSU, and WVU to the ACC world make it a much more compelling conference. The financial wheels would need a lot of grease though. Right now PSU share of Big Ten money is substantially more than anything from the ACC
That would put the ACC at 18 teams if UVA stayed
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Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don’t get penn st leaving
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:24 am to jlnoles79
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do you know what a GOR is
It's why I roll my eyes when people post about programs leaving the ACC
Grant of Rights is not insurmountable. They have that in the Big 12 and Texas and OU will likely be leaving before it expires.
Everything is negotiable.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:27 am to Cliff Booth
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Only way I could maybe see it is if Notre Dame is going too and they think that’ll bring the ACC near equal footing financially. But the ACC doesn’t get a new deal for like 15 years.
Adding ND and PSU would allow them to renegotiate. It’s the whole reason it’s crucial they make a major move.
Their shitty TV deal is an anchor.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:31 am to Magician2
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That would put the ACC at 18 teams if UVA stayed
The ACC is currently at 14 football schools. Adding ND, PSU and WV would put them at 17.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:59 am to SCLibertarian
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ACC needs to add WVU. Them having WVU, PSU, Pitt and Va Tech would make for some interesting games.
That’s a lot of fan bases that hate each other
I’m all for it
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:15 am to SCLibertarian
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WVU, PSU, Pitt
This round robin needs to come back.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That’s a lot of fan bases that hate each other
I’m all for it
I miss that hate.
And think this is true, across the board, from F1 to NCAA football, but sports are too “nice” these days.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:57 am to Lima Whiskey
The hate is what drives sports, not media markets.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I do not have a link.
Here it is
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It was inevitable. As soon as headlines popped up this week about the reported flirtation between Texas, Oklahoma and the SEC, the wild imaginations of college football fans were set in motion to run absolutely wild with hypothetical conference realignment scenarios. What would happen if the SEC officially adds the Longhorns and Sooners, which appears as close to happening as it’s ever been? What would the Big Ten do? Will the ACC make any moves?
That last question appears to be a trendy one among many Penn State circles, and you just had to know some Penn State fans were going to ponder the question. Could conference realignment changes to the landscape give Penn State an opportunity to leave the Big Ten and join the ACC?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
When someone leaving helps kill the entire conference, the grant of rights kind of becomes irrelevant.
Oklahoma and Texas leaving puts the Big 12 at 8 members and no tent pole members. At that point, everyone starts scurrying for the exits so they aren’t left without a seat when the music stops.
ACC programs? They can’t collapse the conference. Best both sides can pull off is trading rights for schools if you have schools leaving the ACC for Bug Ten and vice versa.
But why would someone want to leave the Big Ten for the ACC? If the research consortium part of the conference is that profitable, there is no reason to leave that for a conference with lower athletic payouts and isn’t part of a research consortium worth tons in grants.
Oklahoma and Texas leaving puts the Big 12 at 8 members and no tent pole members. At that point, everyone starts scurrying for the exits so they aren’t left without a seat when the music stops.
ACC programs? They can’t collapse the conference. Best both sides can pull off is trading rights for schools if you have schools leaving the ACC for Bug Ten and vice versa.
But why would someone want to leave the Big Ten for the ACC? If the research consortium part of the conference is that profitable, there is no reason to leave that for a conference with lower athletic payouts and isn’t part of a research consortium worth tons in grants.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:18 am to TigerintheNO
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Could conference realignment changes to the landscape give Penn State an opportunity to leave the Big Ten and join the ACC?
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Penn State in the ACC would absolutely work. It’s just not going to happen.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:37 pm to truthbetold
Penn State was an independent for years. No traditional reason for it to be in Big 10.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:38 pm to Jwho77
The guys argument against PSU moving is based on premise the payouts are the same. All of this movement is based on the premise that the conferences re negotiate the contracts. You think the SEC isn’t going to ask ESPN/Fox/whoever to pony up after merging in Texas and OU? Please
I don’t think this is as “closed and shut” as he thinks it is.
I don’t think this is as “closed and shut” as he thinks it is.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:44 pm to TulaneUVA
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All of this movement is based on the premise that the conferences re negotiate the contracts.
In the ACC's television contract there is even a clause that allowed for renegotiation of/when new teams join the conference. PSU and ND in the ACC makes it a far more lucrative contract. Not SEC level, but very respectable.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:53 pm to jlnoles79
When all the dust settles, the SEC will continue to be the top dog in football and the Big 10 will be get much better in basketball, but remain second in football.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 2:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Peen State should have been death penalized for years now.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 2:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
What's the link?
Your MSB credibility is probably as dog sh!t as your Poli rep.
PSU & Kansas making the moves you assert, could make sense for them? Va leaving the ACC for BIG makes none, zero, nada. At least competitively.
You'd make a vaunted Baseball program play in cold weather, with expanded travel distances.
You'd make a vaunted Basketball program lose it's defensive banger rebounder advantage vs ACC Offensive fluidity styled programs, by going to a conference that has many similar styled modus operandi, and deeper bottom-tier depth.
You may or may not gain some traction vs VT at in state recruiting for Football by selling BIG affiliation vs soft ACC sans Clem, FSU, VT, Mia?
Money the only reason, and it would quickly stall UVa recent Natty street cred in Bases and Hoops, as they would take a hit by such move.
Your MSB credibility is probably as dog sh!t as your Poli rep.
PSU & Kansas making the moves you assert, could make sense for them? Va leaving the ACC for BIG makes none, zero, nada. At least competitively.
You'd make a vaunted Baseball program play in cold weather, with expanded travel distances.
You'd make a vaunted Basketball program lose it's defensive banger rebounder advantage vs ACC Offensive fluidity styled programs, by going to a conference that has many similar styled modus operandi, and deeper bottom-tier depth.
You may or may not gain some traction vs VT at in state recruiting for Football by selling BIG affiliation vs soft ACC sans Clem, FSU, VT, Mia?
Money the only reason, and it would quickly stall UVa recent Natty street cred in Bases and Hoops, as they would take a hit by such move.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 3:51 pm to Bruco
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To be fair the rumor of PSU’s unhappiness has been out there for a long time with the added rumor that the decision to add Maryland and Rutgers was partially to placate PSU and provide more natural geographic rivals. Not saying this new rumor is true but the rumor of PSU unhappiness is not new.
The big powerbrokers - Shembechler and Bobby Knight did not want PSU in. UM from the football threat, IU because PSU Basketball was and still is backwater. OSU and Illinois were the big advocates for PSU. It also didn’t help that PSU won 3/4 against Michigan in their first 4 years.
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