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re: Here is the NCAA rule and interpretation on the 3-second spike rule...Refs got it right
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:09 am to bencoleman
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:09 am to bencoleman
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frick off you ignorant motherfricker
from the guy who says...
quote:
The rule is clear. The game was over and the time should never have been put back on the clock.
, can't make this stuff up man. 
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:11 am to theunknownknight
You keep bringing up that the receiver was out of bounds per the pic you posted. The receiver went down with his knee well inbounds and where parts of his body land after that is inconsequential. The rule you cited is if that is the first part of a ball carrier who is still in play...
You cant be down twice in the same play...
You cant be down twice in the same play...
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:12 am to bencoleman
quote:Really?
The rule is clear. I don't see how anyone can see it any differently.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:12 am to tigerfan in bamaland
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With two seconds or one second on the
game clock there is enough time for only one play.
lol, not at Auburn.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:12 am to GetmorewithLes
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You keep bringing up that the receiver was out of bounds per the pic you posted. The receiver went down with his knee well inbounds and where parts of his body land after that is inconsequential. The rule you cited is if that is the first part of a ball carrier who is still in play...
Someone link up the video. That pic doesn't show shite to me. The angle is weird and you certainly can't tell definitively that the elbow is down and the knee is not.
My recollection was that he pretty clearly came down in bounds, bolstered by the fact nobody raised that issue At ALL at the time.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:17 am to Chicken
Thanks, Saban, I mean Mr. Stanley, I mean Chicken. Freudian slips. Sincere apologies.
More controversy means more traffic and more money for the big guy, i.e. Chicken, right?
More controversy means more traffic and more money for the big guy, i.e. Chicken, right?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:21 am to Mr. Hangover
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on the referee’s signal
So did the ball hitting the ground stop the clock or the signal from the ref? If the rule says on the referee's signal it was at .00 . Game over . Try again. I dont care if they reviewed it and it has 1 second left . The ref didnt signal to to stop the play the very instant it hit the ground .It took time for him to react to the play . Is it the refs signal or not ? The rule says the refs signal and that was at .00. Game over .
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:21 am to Y.A. Tittle
Another issue in this play was did Mond execute a legal spike? I have not seen a real rule definition on this. Mond never raised the ball out from under center and thrust the ballyo the ground. Had he pulled the ball out and to his waist he would not have done it in time.
At what point does this become a fumble vs a throw into the ground. This may be uncharted waters for this type of play.
At what point does this become a fumble vs a throw into the ground. This may be uncharted waters for this type of play.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:23 am to Chicken
So the time keepers reaction time isn't part of the game now?? Bc I've never in my life seen a game put time back on a clock when the time keeper lets even 3 or more seconds off of it after a play is dead.
That's part of the damn game. If you don't want to lose then you shouldn't be hurrying at the end of a game. I've never in my life seen a car hit zero and then be reviewed. The refs have always called the game at that point and they should have here in this case. Just like the fiumble at the end, no way LSU gets either of those calls even at home.
They also called an obvious fumble incomplete. LSU got screwed 4 times in this game. The defends did make huge plays but we were denied those plays. That's what people don't get. I keep hearing well if the defense had just made a play, well they did, several times for it to be denied. Those plays don't happen often throughout a game. At some point if you keep giving the offense life, it's going to take a freakn breath. It was the most absurd called game I've ever seen in my life time, ever.
Plays like that aren't always reviewed, just like our fumble wasn't. Why does A&M get the benefit of replay and LSU doesn't? The snap Mond dropped then touched and so called knee was down at the end was just as much of a judgement call as the fumble called incomplete but wasn't even touched. That's a bunch of BS. Frick the SEC and frick anyone saying they got it right bc y'all just fall for the same stuff every year. This is a game of inches and if yards are given to the opposing team without earning them then they have a huge advantage.
Yes LSU needs to get better but so does the SEC and these Refs. It was one of the worst called games I've ever seen. The NCAA needs to make other conference officials officiate all the top 25 matchups at the very least. That way there's no interest either way and their pay needs to be cut if they can't call a game right. You don't call a player down just because you want to in a huge OT in a top 25 match up when the ball comes out. You leave it as a live ball and then let the replay decide.
Hell they did it for A&M earlier in the game when the ball was clearly resting on the ground for 3 seconds. Did they call it dead then? Frick no they didn't. You let any ball that comes out be reviewed especially at the end of a ball game. That's just not how you call a football game people. It's not. The Tigers won this game, I don't give a darn what anyone else thinks. They fought their tails off and was cheated and there just no way around it. SEC should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't care until the money is impacted so I say hit them where it hurts.
That's part of the damn game. If you don't want to lose then you shouldn't be hurrying at the end of a game. I've never in my life seen a car hit zero and then be reviewed. The refs have always called the game at that point and they should have here in this case. Just like the fiumble at the end, no way LSU gets either of those calls even at home.
They also called an obvious fumble incomplete. LSU got screwed 4 times in this game. The defends did make huge plays but we were denied those plays. That's what people don't get. I keep hearing well if the defense had just made a play, well they did, several times for it to be denied. Those plays don't happen often throughout a game. At some point if you keep giving the offense life, it's going to take a freakn breath. It was the most absurd called game I've ever seen in my life time, ever.
Plays like that aren't always reviewed, just like our fumble wasn't. Why does A&M get the benefit of replay and LSU doesn't? The snap Mond dropped then touched and so called knee was down at the end was just as much of a judgement call as the fumble called incomplete but wasn't even touched. That's a bunch of BS. Frick the SEC and frick anyone saying they got it right bc y'all just fall for the same stuff every year. This is a game of inches and if yards are given to the opposing team without earning them then they have a huge advantage.
Yes LSU needs to get better but so does the SEC and these Refs. It was one of the worst called games I've ever seen. The NCAA needs to make other conference officials officiate all the top 25 matchups at the very least. That way there's no interest either way and their pay needs to be cut if they can't call a game right. You don't call a player down just because you want to in a huge OT in a top 25 match up when the ball comes out. You leave it as a live ball and then let the replay decide.
Hell they did it for A&M earlier in the game when the ball was clearly resting on the ground for 3 seconds. Did they call it dead then? Frick no they didn't. You let any ball that comes out be reviewed especially at the end of a ball game. That's just not how you call a football game people. It's not. The Tigers won this game, I don't give a darn what anyone else thinks. They fought their tails off and was cheated and there just no way around it. SEC should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't care until the money is impacted so I say hit them where it hurts.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:25 am to bencoleman
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The rule is clear. I don't see how anyone can see it any differently.
Devil's advocate - Can we all agree this was a close call no matter if you agree or not? So to all the people that agree with the quoted statement, would you feel the game should be over if LSU was trying to spike the ball?
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:25 am to DreauxB2015
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So did the ball hitting the ground stop the clock or the signal from the ref?
The rule I was talking about was for BEFORE snapping the ball for a spike
Try again
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:26 am to DreauxB2015
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So did the ball hitting the ground stop the clock or the signal from the ref? If the rule says on the referee's signal it was at .00 . Game over . Try again. I dont care if they reviewed it and it has 1 second left . The ref didnt signal to to stop the play the very instant it hit the ground .It took time for him to react to the play . Is it the refs signal or not ? The rule says the refs signal . Game over .
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Minimum Time For A Play After Spiking The Ball ARTICLE 5. If the game clock is stopped and will start on the referee’s signal with three or more seconds remaining in the quarter, the offense may reasonably expect to throw the ball directly to the ground (Rule 7-3-2-f ) and have enough time for another play. With two seconds or one second on the game clock there is enough time for only one play. (A.R. 3-2-5-I)
Reading comprehension not your strong suit huh? The ref signal part is about before the spike, not after.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:26 am to slackster
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You bring up some good points on timing during the game though, as did YA Tittle. The game is timed lazily for 58 minutes, but the last minute in each half is expected to be precise without the tools needed to be precise.
Another thing to think about. The time is like a hourglass with sand running out until its empty. The instant the clock reads 1 second it immediately has less than 1 second remaining. Without precision to tenths or hundredths there are fractions of time unfairly put back when the clock is reset to a previous whole number.
So my first question is. Should refs unfairly give time back to a team or do they have to go to the next lower tick of the clock when resetting because the clock being used cannot display tenths.
My second question is. Does the official time keeping device measure tenths or hundredths?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:28 am to SadSouthernBuck
quote:That line is in there to indicate that it clearly has to be a "pass" and not a fumbled center-QB exchange, and hence a spike.
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The quarterback takes the snap and raises the ball high over his head before throwing it directly to the ground.
Just gonna gloss right over this part?
It prevents the QB from just slapping the snap to the ground and calling it a spike. So realistically all he has to do is clear the snap mesh point, hold the ball in one hand, and throw the ball to the ground.
The combination of being above the snap mesh means the snap was clearly received, the one hand is clear indication is a pass.
quote:correct. If clock reads 0 then there is no time remaining, not .1 - .9 seconds. Therefore if clock reads 3 sec, there's anywhere between 2.0 and 3.0 seconds, not 3.0 and 3.9999.
The instant the clock reads 1 second it immediately has less than 1 second remaining.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:29 am to DocSavage
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Another thing to think about. The time is like a hourglass with sand running out until its empty. The instant the clock reads 1 second it immediately has less than 1 second remaining. Without precision to tenths or hundredths there are fractions of time unfairly put back when the clock is reset to a previous whole number.
I already raised this issue. If the clock actually READS 3 that automatically means at that point that there IS NOT "3 or more seconds remaining."
It's sort of silliness to be debating beyond a pure theoretical perspective, but that's what it is.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:30 am to I20goon
Found the replay and watched it - refs blew whistle to stop clock with 4 seconds left.
Anyway you slice this it was the correct call
Anyway you slice this it was the correct call
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:31 am to theunknownknight
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Found the replay and watched it - refs blew whistle to stop clock with 4 seconds left.
Link it up.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:34 am to Y.A. Tittle
One sec. TexAgs has a complete replay with all the fluff removed.
1:09 and 34 seconds
Game replay
1:09 and 34 seconds
Game replay
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:38 am to DocSavage
I think the refs did the right thing on the spike play and reviewed the spike and saw 1 sec at the time of the ball hitting the turf. We would want that call if it was us.
The play before that, the player goes down with 5-6 seconds, the ref comes in signalling the clock to stop with 4-5 secs and the clock doesn't stop till 3 seconds, so there is a 1-2 second delay from Ref signaling to clock stoppage on every play.
It is of greater importance I guess to get the exact moment the clock should stop when it is the last play. So they got the benefit of the review.
A&M got the benefit of reviews for the Knee play and the Spike play, which is fine, but LSU gets no beneift of review for the fumble play in the 1st OT. This is what torques me.
They let the play continue on the Knee play then go back and review it. But for the Sternberger Fumble they stop the play after Delpit is 15 yds down field and call it incomplete. Therefore it can't be reviewed. Why not let the play finish and then review it and get it right idiot refs.
The play before that, the player goes down with 5-6 seconds, the ref comes in signalling the clock to stop with 4-5 secs and the clock doesn't stop till 3 seconds, so there is a 1-2 second delay from Ref signaling to clock stoppage on every play.
It is of greater importance I guess to get the exact moment the clock should stop when it is the last play. So they got the benefit of the review.
A&M got the benefit of reviews for the Knee play and the Spike play, which is fine, but LSU gets no beneift of review for the fumble play in the 1st OT. This is what torques me.
They let the play continue on the Knee play then go back and review it. But for the Sternberger Fumble they stop the play after Delpit is 15 yds down field and call it incomplete. Therefore it can't be reviewed. Why not let the play finish and then review it and get it right idiot refs.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 10:46 am to slackster
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frick off you ignorant motherfricker
from the guy who says...
quote:
The rule is clear. The game was over and the time should never have been put back on the clock.
, can't make this stuff up man
I've actually argued something. You've done nothing but insult me. You're doing nothing but trying to derail the thread.
Worthless motherfricker.
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