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Here is the NCAA rule and interpretation on the 3-second spike rule...Refs got it right
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:12 am
These are both from the NCAA rule book:
The Rule:
One Interpretation:
In the LSU/A&M game, the clock was stopped at 0:03 after the first down...
UPDATE: after further review, I believe the SEC refs (bless their hearts) got the call right. The clocked showed 0:03 before the spike and the review showed that the spiked ball hit the ground with 0:01.
However, it appears that there should be tenths of seconds on clock when it is less than 4 seconds...without it, 2.1 seconds or even 2.9 seconds will say 3 seconds on the clock. This would matter if the rule above came into play.
The Rule:
quote:
Minimum Time For A Play After Spiking The Ball
ARTICLE 5. If the game clock is stopped and will start on the referee’s
signal with three or more seconds remaining in the quarter, the offense may
reasonably expect to throw the ball directly to the ground (Rule 7-3-2-f ) and
have enough time for another play. With two seconds or one second on the
game clock there is enough time for only one play. (A.R. 3-2-5-I)
One Interpretation:
quote:
Late in a quarter Team A, out of timeouts, makes a first down, stopping the clock which reads 0:03. Team A intends to spike the ball and run an additional play. The referee appropriately blows his whistle and signals, which starts the game clock. The quarterback takes the snap and raises the ball high over his head before throwing it directly to the ground. The game clock shows 0:00. RULING: Time in the quarter has expired. Although there were 3 seconds on the game clock when the referee signaled it to start, there is no guarantee of enough time to run an additional play other than spiking the ball. The offense must execute the spike in a timely manner.
In the LSU/A&M game, the clock was stopped at 0:03 after the first down...
UPDATE: after further review, I believe the SEC refs (bless their hearts) got the call right. The clocked showed 0:03 before the spike and the review showed that the spiked ball hit the ground with 0:01.
However, it appears that there should be tenths of seconds on clock when it is less than 4 seconds...without it, 2.1 seconds or even 2.9 seconds will say 3 seconds on the clock. This would matter if the rule above came into play.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 9:58 am
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:14 am to Chicken
3 or more means greater than OR equal to 3. They had 3 seconds. They legally had time
If it said MORE THAN 3 then no they don't have time
If it said MORE THAN 3 then no they don't have time
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:15 am to Chicken
quote:I don't think you're reading that correctly.
Based on the NCAA's interpretation of its own rule, time should have expired after the spike.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:16 am to Chicken
quote:
The quarterback takes the snap and raises the ball high over his head before throwing it directly to the ground.
Just gonna gloss right over this part?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:16 am to Chicken
Link?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:16 am to Chicken
Beating a dead chicken.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:17 am to Chicken
After calming down for a few days, I do not think that was any funny business on the part of the refs on that call. The refs just did not know the rules. It is completely inexcusable and the refs and replay officials need to be fired. The SEC is not going to go back and give us a win, but they should because if the refs had followed proper protocol LSU would have been up by 3 points when the clock hit 0:00 in the 4th quarter. It is a moot point, but we got screwed.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:17 am to Chicken
quote:
Based on the NCAA's interpretation of its own rule, time should have expired after the spike. My guess is that the SEC did not even consider this rule and just checked to see if Mond had snapped it before time expired. Just further proof of SEC Review Shennanigans...ha.
The rule says it's possible to get a spike inside of 3 seconds, but you aren't guaranteed a stoppage if you act like an idiot and raise the ball up high before spiking it.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:18 am to myusername
quote:right, but the interpretation of the rule in the rule book doesn't say that. Additionally, 2.1 seconds left will say 3 seconds on the clock.
3 or more means greater than OR equal to 3. They had 3 seconds. They legally had time
If it said MORE THAN 3 than no they don't have time
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:19 am to Chicken
See, this is different that what I've seen on Twitter.
LSU's punter put a picture of a rule on his account that looks different than what you posted.
The one on his account pretty much reads if there is three seconds or less left, they can't spike it. They have to run a play.
Sorry, I don't know how to link it, but it is from Saturday night and it is still on his account.
LSU's punter put a picture of a rule on his account that looks different than what you posted.
The one on his account pretty much reads if there is three seconds or less left, they can't spike it. They have to run a play.
Sorry, I don't know how to link it, but it is from Saturday night and it is still on his account.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:20 am to slackster
quote:I think that language is in there because that is likely the language of a legal spike...of course, no QB spikes it like that.
you aren't guaranteed a stoppage if you act like an idiot and raise the ball up high before spiking it.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:21 am to Chicken
quote:
right, but the interpretation of the rule in the rule book doesn't say that. Additionally, 2.1 seconds left will say 3 seconds on the clock.
Yep. If the clock already reads 3 that actually means there is not "3 or more seconds remaining". It is automatically something less than 3 at the instant it reads that.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:22 am to crazyLSUstudent
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:23 am to Chicken
The main thing I still don't understand from a logic standpoint is how does Mond snap the ball with one second, spike it, and one second remain? Again, this is not college basketball with tenths of seconds on the clock.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:23 am to Chicken
They’re not going to review the call or ever even address it again. Just like that blown call on the Miss St. TD from 3 weeks ago. They don’t care about if its right or not. Its CYA time.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:24 am to Chicken
I think the interpretation is pointing out that if the QB takes an unreasonable amount of time to spike the ball e.g. bring it over his head before spiking it then time runs out...but Mond spiked it quickly
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:24 am to Chicken
They actually should have had more than 3 seconds to start with had the refs been paying attention so this is all moot
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:26 am to Chicken
quote:
I think that language is in there because that is likely the language of a legal spike...of course, no QB spikes it like that.
Nah. If 3 seconds or less means the game is over, they wouldn't add the language of "the offense must execute the spike in a timely manner."
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:27 am to slackster
Right, they're saying don't piss around while trying to spike it
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:27 am to theunknownknight
quote:
They actually should have had more than 3 seconds to start with had the refs been paying attention so this is all moot
I thought the same. It seemed like the WR got out of bounds on the previous play anyway.
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