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re: Carnivore Diet
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:50 am to pressurized
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:50 am to pressurized
quote:
Week 1 Update:
Grocery bill came out to about $14/day. Mostly ground beef, ribeyes, and flank steak. Eating out is obviously more expensive. Anyone on a budget can easily do this for <$10 day with ground beef and cheap steak cuts.
No noticeable difference in energy level/workout performance than keto so far.
Meat is extremely satiable. On non workout days I almost have to force myself to finish a 1lb+ serving, yet no sluggishness afterwards.
Not in ketosis according to ketostrips despite eating fatty cuts.
Getting leg cramps, but a heavily salted meal takes care of that.
Bowel movements are all over the place. Sometimes a lot, sometimes a little. Watery, yet soft.
After workouts or the next day recovery meal, the actual eating and immediately afterwards is very satisfying. Hard to describe, but a very primal and energizing feeling. Its like the cells in my body are rejoicing.
I don't think I can ever get tired of eating steak.
How was week 2?
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:16 pm to Junky
Week 2 Update:
Not tracking grocery costs anymore, but I'm eating more steak so I'm sure its higher than last week. Mostly Ribeyes, Strips, and ground bison. Tried beef liver last week, but it was hard to finish, probably b/c it was frozen and I think I overcooked it. I have some calf liver I'm going to try, seared.
Workout energy level is good, once I get going. Resting energy seems down a bit, steady, but down.
Not in ketosis, which I kind of miss.
No more cramps.
Bowel movements are stabilized and steady. Not very much, especially considering I'm averaging 2.5lbs of meat a day.
I had a couple cheat days this weekend where it was pretty much straight keto with large amounts of whiskey and low carb beer. I do miss the variety of food keto offers, but I'm back on the wagon again.
Honestly, I'm not sold on the diet as of now as there is really no noticeable upside to this diet other than its incredible simplicity. I will still continue to Day 30, b/c there is really no downside that I've noticed, other than expensive/hard to describe when eating out with others.
Not tracking grocery costs anymore, but I'm eating more steak so I'm sure its higher than last week. Mostly Ribeyes, Strips, and ground bison. Tried beef liver last week, but it was hard to finish, probably b/c it was frozen and I think I overcooked it. I have some calf liver I'm going to try, seared.
Workout energy level is good, once I get going. Resting energy seems down a bit, steady, but down.
Not in ketosis, which I kind of miss.
No more cramps.
Bowel movements are stabilized and steady. Not very much, especially considering I'm averaging 2.5lbs of meat a day.
I had a couple cheat days this weekend where it was pretty much straight keto with large amounts of whiskey and low carb beer. I do miss the variety of food keto offers, but I'm back on the wagon again.
Honestly, I'm not sold on the diet as of now as there is really no noticeable upside to this diet other than its incredible simplicity. I will still continue to Day 30, b/c there is really no downside that I've noticed, other than expensive/hard to describe when eating out with others.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:08 pm to pressurized
quote:This is to be expected. Your body is digesting almost all of it.
Bowel movements are stabilized and steady. Not very much, especially considering I'm averaging 2.5lbs of meat a day.
quote:Seems easy to describe.
other than expensive/hard to describe when eating out with others.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yeah, more like hard to explain.
I horrified a nutritionist at a friend's dinner after I told her why I was ordering 3 orders of pork belly for myself. She was literally wide eyed in disbelief! After some back and forth, she agreed that 30 days probably wouldn't do irreversible harm.
I horrified a nutritionist at a friend's dinner after I told her why I was ordering 3 orders of pork belly for myself. She was literally wide eyed in disbelief! After some back and forth, she agreed that 30 days probably wouldn't do irreversible harm.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 6:32 am to pressurized
stick with it. it took me appx 3 months to get in a groove. dont think of it as a diet, but a way of life. Diets end, lifestyles dont. its been a great benefit for me personally. i know others could benfit from it also
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:56 am to aldawg2323
What's your approx daily meat intake like? Do you eat other animal products like eggs or dairy?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:03 pm to pressurized
quote:
Not tracking grocery costs anymore, but I'm eating more steak so I'm sure its higher than last week. Mostly Ribeyes, Strips, and ground bison
Are you doing any roasts? I found that a fair amount of roast made carnivore easier and varied it up (also potentially cheaper).
Seems like most people go a bit overboard on the steaks, it's almost become a caricature at this point. I love steak (and eat quite a bit), but there's plenty of other meat.
One thing buying a whole cow teaches you is: There really isn't that much "steak," a lot of the animal is best either ground or low and slow.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:53 pm to pressurized
Meat consumed probably varies from 24-30 ozs per day. However i think i could be eating more. NY strips, ribeyes, etc are great but ive been eating a lot of chuck roasts on the pit. My routine for about 2 months was 6-8 lbs of chuck roast on the smoker at about 220deg for about3.5 hrs. Every Sunday. That would get me to Thursday or so. Yes, eating lots of eggs also. Averaging 2-3 eggs each morning with leftover meat. Goddamn delicious.
Just bought half a cow, 280lbs. Everything cut for the pit except the round, which i ground. Grassfed animal, averaged $4/lb cut and vaccuum packed. All fits in a standard upright freezer. Thats the way to go. Clean eating and variety. Its expensive upfront, yes. But convenient
ETA cutout most dairy. Still like grassfed butter in my coffee in the mornings, a poor mans caveman coffee. i heard about a year ago by someone affiliated with caveman that clean fats are "good brain food". I thought my brain could use all the help it could get so i started with the butter. Ive since read that the brain actually burns carbs for fuel like the rest of the body. Makes sense as ive never felt a benefit other than its delicious and satiating. I plan to cut that out eventually, always looking to simplify in a minimalist way.
Just bought half a cow, 280lbs. Everything cut for the pit except the round, which i ground. Grassfed animal, averaged $4/lb cut and vaccuum packed. All fits in a standard upright freezer. Thats the way to go. Clean eating and variety. Its expensive upfront, yes. But convenient
ETA cutout most dairy. Still like grassfed butter in my coffee in the mornings, a poor mans caveman coffee. i heard about a year ago by someone affiliated with caveman that clean fats are "good brain food". I thought my brain could use all the help it could get so i started with the butter. Ive since read that the brain actually burns carbs for fuel like the rest of the body. Makes sense as ive never felt a benefit other than its delicious and satiating. I plan to cut that out eventually, always looking to simplify in a minimalist way.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 12:01 am
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:16 am to pressurized
I noticed you mentioned keto strips. If you're talking about pee strips, they are useless.
Get a blood meter on Amazon and do some testing to see what keeps you in ketosis. People diffr pretty broadly, especially w respect to proteins and ketosis.
Also if you stay pretty well fat adapted, you can have a lower level of blood ketones because your body adjusts to try to optimize ketone production. Also varies based on activity of course.
I'm agnostic about carnivore diet ultimately. Properly sources meats, poultry and fish can definitely give you the hulk of what you need, especially if you are fat adapted and getting proper electrolytes.
But I like too many other foods and I also think there are beneficial micronutrients that you don't get from meat. On the other hand, I'm not sure how "essential" (or even beneficial) those are if you're doing the best carnivore diet possible. I'll await further research.
Get a blood meter on Amazon and do some testing to see what keeps you in ketosis. People diffr pretty broadly, especially w respect to proteins and ketosis.
Also if you stay pretty well fat adapted, you can have a lower level of blood ketones because your body adjusts to try to optimize ketone production. Also varies based on activity of course.
I'm agnostic about carnivore diet ultimately. Properly sources meats, poultry and fish can definitely give you the hulk of what you need, especially if you are fat adapted and getting proper electrolytes.
But I like too many other foods and I also think there are beneficial micronutrients that you don't get from meat. On the other hand, I'm not sure how "essential" (or even beneficial) those are if you're doing the best carnivore diet possible. I'll await further research.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:54 am to McLemore
I know this isn't a thread about keto but whatever... I'm planning to give keto a real run in a couple of weeks. I want to get a full blood workup first, and track my ketone levels throughout the month. I know the most accurate ketone monitoring method is by blood test strips, but I'd really prefer not to prick my finger several times a day.. would a breath monitor be accurate enough to at least give me some relative idea of what is affecting ketosis and by how much? And if so, do you have any recommendations?
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 9:07 am
Posted on 7/26/18 at 9:00 am to Hulkklogan
quote:
I know the most accurate ketone monitoring method is by blood test strips, but I'd really prefer not to prick my finger several times a day..
I had to do it for about a month. Wasnt bad at all. Takes two seconds, doesn't hurt, and it doesn't leave any scab or anything after. If you want to do it right I'd just go ahead and do it
Posted on 7/27/18 at 4:04 pm to Hulkklogan
Do the blood tests, the BG pricks can't be any more than those and to be honest, it isn't that bad. I guess do it as a baseline, and find what foods lower you ketones, but deep ketosis should never be a goal, just a response to monitor.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 5:16 am to pressurized
quote:
Week 2 Update:
Week 3 Update?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:22 am to Junky
starting this today.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:13 pm to aldawg2323
quote:The average human brain requires ~4g of glucose per day to power itself. That is child's play for your metabolic processes/organs to generate daily. Please don't cut out the dairy!
Ive since read that the brain actually burns carbs for fuel like the rest of the body
Posted on 7/30/18 at 5:36 pm to Junky
quote:
Week 3 Update?
I've decided to stop the diet. Going back to keto. I feel like my body wasn't getting "full nutrition", even tho I didn't necessarily feel bad. Hard to explain. I was craving non meat foods, so I decided to listen to my body.
The lack of variety played a role in the decision as well. Eating is no longer a chore. Had an amazing fathead pizza last night. Might do a 24-48hr fast to get back in deep ketosis.
I wouldn't dissuade anyone from trying it, just feel like keto is better for me. Plus I still eat a bunch of meat anyway.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
The average human brain requires ~4g of glucose per day to power itself. That is child's play for your metabolic processes/organs to generate daily. Please don't cut out the dairy!
I guess i dont follow your point. You seem to be saying that the body can generate the needed glucose for proper brain function, but then urge to keep the dairy? Is there much glucose in butter? Is it necessary? Please expand that point. thanks. Im in the deep end on these topics no doubt
The average human brain requires ~4g of glucose per day to power itself. That is child's play for your metabolic processes/organs to generate daily. Please don't cut out the dairy!
I guess i dont follow your point. You seem to be saying that the body can generate the needed glucose for proper brain function, but then urge to keep the dairy? Is there much glucose in butter? Is it necessary? Please expand that point. thanks. Im in the deep end on these topics no doubt
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:21 pm to pressurized
I wonder if youre meals had enough fatty meat? Ive been eating grassfed beef for the last week. Started with ground round and then a sirloin roast. Those are leaner cuts to begin and then made leaner with grass-finished. Definitely was not as satiated after meals. Yesterday and today got to a chuck roast. Well marbled, as good tasting fat as i e had. Feeling nice and full after those meals
I urge you nit to give ip on it. Certainly still stay away from a whole cheat day pizza. Try some pecans, blueberries, etc to mix it up
I urge you nit to give ip on it. Certainly still stay away from a whole cheat day pizza. Try some pecans, blueberries, etc to mix it up
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:50 am to Hulkklogan
quote:
would a breath monitor be accurate enough to at least give me some relative idea of what is affecting ketosis and by how much?
Order Berberine, or better, Metformin, and start taking every 12 hours. Get the Keto sticks and when it turns the slightest bit purple, you are in ketosis and will stay there unless you frick up. If the sticks are slight purple and you are training your arse off, the stick may only remain slightly purple. Have fun and watch the rebound and KetoDick. (DO NOT CONTINUE TAKING METFORMIN OR BERBERINE once Ketosis is acheived)
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 12:54 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 9:35 am to Carson123987
quote:
starting this today.
I started Carnivore last Wednesday. The only real slip ups have been where I would take one bite of my son's mac n cheese to make sure it wasn't too hot. I've also had some whiskey neat.
I haven't been able to poop to save my life. It's weird to lose weight (I've probably dropped 5 pounds in the last week while eating probably 2 lbs of fatty beef per day) yet not poop at all.
Otherwise, it's been great and easy.
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