re: Carnivore Diet

This thread along with the Joe Rogan interviews posted here has really interested me on giving the carnivore diet a try.

What seasoning are you all using on the meat...or more specifically are seasonings/spices allowed and if so which ones?

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Plants contain a bunch of bad things - I don't wish to dive into the details as I need to wake up at 3:30am. But Georgia Ede has some great info on plants and the harmful effects they can have. She has some lectures to watch on youtube. It will probably lead you to your answer with a minimal amount of reading.

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Just out of curiosity, and it may come across that I'm bashing carnivore diet when I'm really not. Last time I asked a few questions, several months ago, people on here were crying and screaming mad at me for it.

Is there something concrete from her that says we shouldn't eat vegetables or that they don't help us at all? I spent some time on her website and read quite a bit but I mostly just found the same old talk I see in other people that push meat only diets, some tribe in Africa, or Eskimos, or whatever ate meat only so therefore we should to. She says that plants don't really do this or they do that and all the studies that show plants are actually good for you are wrong, but are they really wrong?

I mean a vegan will come on here till they are blue in the face showing studies that their diet is the best and tell us we need to do some more research and look at all these studies and get all mad and shite, and then meat only people will show all these other studies and say plants aren't really good, and get all mad also. I've been told it's common sense and science proves it from both vegans and meat only.

I'm literally not arguing for or against, but some people get pissed that people eat some plants on here b/c WE NEED TO DO OUR RESEARCH AND COMMON SENSE. But as many "studies" as I've read, there are thousands of "studies" against them that say the opposite. What's wrong with just eating both vegetables and meat, in moderation?

Obviously I understand we can all do what we want and it's just a message board, and who cares if someone gets defensive on here, it's actually funny when people do. I'm just kinda throwing out why some people might be skeptical of changing over to a meat only or plant only diet.

ETA: Again, I'm not saying these studies are wrong, when it comes down to it, nobody truly knows what's the best for each individual person. That will be being debated even another 100 years from now.

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What's wrong with just eating both vegetables and meat, in moderation?

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What is wrong with just eating meat only? Why can't one find health there? Why must it be in moderation? Why is it that someone must have vegetables to be considered healthy? ... I am presenting these questions to provoke thought, not really directed towards you seeking a response.

For me, the fun behind the question is how in the world did we end up here, with 30% of Americans under 20 overweight or obese and that is now considered normal? I love to dive into the history of why and it became my new hobby 4 yrs ago. How did government guidelines come to be? What evidence was used for/against. How did our great-great-great-grandparents eat? What about my ancestors from 1,000 yrs ago, 10,000? Why are we so dang fat today? These are all questions I've asked.

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But as many "studies" as I've read, there are thousands of "studies" against them that say the opposite.

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This is the main reason I hate posting studies because they can be complete nonsense. Stick to RCT's, but even then you have to read their methods and ask yourself if they left anything out.

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What's wrong with just eating both vegetables and meat, in moderation?

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I hate to say it, but some people just do not do well with plants of any amount. Jordan Peterson's daughter is a good example of this. Plants contain chemicals to protect themselves that react strongly in some individuals. Not to mention that we really do not have the physiology to digest them.

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some people get pissed that people eat some plants on here b/c WE NEED TO DO OUR RESEARCH AND COMMON SENSE

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I've not seen it, is it in the context of yelling at vegans?

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What is wrong with just eating meat only? Why can't one find health there? Why must it be in moderation? Why is it that someone must have vegetables to be considered healthy? ... I am presenting these questions to provoke thought, not really directed towards you seeking a response.

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My dad had a heart attack at a young age. Prior to it all he basically ate was meat. My mom used to fuss at him about it, not even fried meat. Literally just chicken, steak, etc. He just wouldn't eat vegetables much, had high cholesterol which some on here say it's ok to have that. He is now in his 70s and since his heart attack he only eats fish once a week and deer meat once a week, cholesterol is good and 40 years after his heart attack is doing great since that diet. He was always active even prior to heart attack. Me saying all that, proves absolutely nothing though, that's only one example. I myself absolutely love meat, chicken, beef, fish, pork, all of it, I just love my vegetables also.

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For me, the fun behind the question is how in the world did we end up here, with 30% of Americans under 20 overweight or obese and that is now considered normal?

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Well going back to my grandparents and great grandparents they actually lived off the land and really didn't eat meat much. My grandmother stated they would eat some chicken and maybe some pork a couple times a week, the rest was what they grew, they were all thin. Obesity is due to in my opinion, and I may be wrong, more towards sugar, honey buns, fried food (which I love also) etc. And people just eat all day everyday. Saying that, some people can eat like shite and be thin, while others eat very little and are still fat as frick.

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This is the main reason I hate posting studies because they can be complete nonsense. Stick to RCT's, but even then you have to read their methods and ask yourself if they left anything out.

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Agree

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I hate to say it, but some people just do not do well with plants of any amount. Jordan Peterson's daughter is a good example of this. Plants contain chemicals to protect themselves that react strongly in some individuals. Not to mention that we really do not have the physiology to digest them.

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Honestly when I go a day or so w/o eating meat and only eat fruits and vegetables I feel great. I have energy, no heart burn, etc. I love meat to much to go without though. Days where all I do is eat meat I tend to feel like crap but I've heard you have to do it for a week or so and you will feel better. That's just me, plenty of people are probably different and the complete opposite.

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I've not seen it, is it in the context of yelling at vegans?

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There are a few posters who get bent out of shape questioning them about this, whether it's asking a simple question, or "debating" them. Read the Netflix documentary thread. The main thread I'm speaking on was when this board first came out, several people were getting pretty pissed, it's no big deal, again, it's funny. Also, it's hard to tell sometimes if someone is actually getting mad or joking around of course when typed out.

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That has nothing to do with vegetables FWIW.

Before you tell me how stupid I am, I'd say 90% of my calories come from meat

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I never did claim it did in the context. It was a general question of why the hell is America fat. You are pretty defensive about this no vegetables and I do not know why. This is only a discussion that it absolutely can be done - contrary to everything we’ve been taught.

Week 1 Update:


Grocery bill came out to about $14/day. Mostly ground beef, ribeyes, and flank steak. Eating out is obviously more expensive. Anyone on a budget can easily do this for <$10 day with ground beef and cheap steak cuts.

No noticeable difference in energy level/workout performance than keto so far.

Meat is extremely satiable. On non workout days I almost have to force myself to finish a 1lb+ serving, yet no sluggishness afterwards.

Not in ketosis according to ketostrips despite eating fatty cuts.

Getting leg cramps, but a heavily salted meal takes care of that.

Bowel movements are all over the place. Sometimes a lot, sometimes a little. Watery, yet soft.

After workouts or the next day recovery meal, the actual eating and immediately afterwards is very satisfying. Hard to describe, but a very primal and energizing feeling. Its like the cells in my body are rejoicing.

I don't think I can ever get tired of eating steak.

Bulletproof coffee

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i still eat a lot of raw carrots, perhaps 2-3 lbs/week

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so most of your carbs come from carrots?
some large carrots have 10 grams of carbs.

Try drinking several ounces of heavy cream and/or eating a few spoonfuls of butter. If you are truly fat-adapted that should be fine.