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Carnivore Diet
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:39 am
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:39 am
Anyone have any experience with an all meat diet?
I've been doing keto for 3 months and love the health benefits and weight loss. I've entertained the idea of a carnivore diet after seeing the meathead doctor on Joe Rogan's and Rob Wolff's podcasts, but what sealed the deal was hearing Jordan Peterson trying it out and his daughter's amazing experience.
I don't have any health problems to be "cured" like the Petersons, but I love the idea of the primal nature of the diet. I'm 205lbs and wonder how much meat I'd need daily. I'm thinking 2lbs or more on workout days. I'm also assuming it's all fatty meats and not lean cuts.
PS. Major props to this board, the food board, and the Q thread for exposing the ridiculousness of the standard American diet. Literally a life changer!
I've been doing keto for 3 months and love the health benefits and weight loss. I've entertained the idea of a carnivore diet after seeing the meathead doctor on Joe Rogan's and Rob Wolff's podcasts, but what sealed the deal was hearing Jordan Peterson trying it out and his daughter's amazing experience.
I don't have any health problems to be "cured" like the Petersons, but I love the idea of the primal nature of the diet. I'm 205lbs and wonder how much meat I'd need daily. I'm thinking 2lbs or more on workout days. I'm also assuming it's all fatty meats and not lean cuts.
PS. Major props to this board, the food board, and the Q thread for exposing the ridiculousness of the standard American diet. Literally a life changer!
Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:10 am to pressurized
Pretty much doing that with alternate day fasting over the next few weeks but still eating egg yolks.
As far as how much meat that depends on your good and current metabolic rate and what you plan to do during that time you are doing this.
Btw I did the steak and eggs diet for 4 weeks earlier this year worked great but I found I could easily overeat because I love steak and would end up eating too much.
My fix for this, this time, is I am going to fast on days I don't lift. I will be doing no dairy other than ghee and casein protein powder intraworkout.
Btw every couple days you might want to look at having a large spinach and cucumber salad with olive oil.
I might add some avaocado in too but other then that, stick to this plan for at least two weeks.
When I come back August 1st from vacation I will be doing carb cycling and the brute body program under their direction.
As far as how much meat that depends on your good and current metabolic rate and what you plan to do during that time you are doing this.
Btw I did the steak and eggs diet for 4 weeks earlier this year worked great but I found I could easily overeat because I love steak and would end up eating too much.
My fix for this, this time, is I am going to fast on days I don't lift. I will be doing no dairy other than ghee and casein protein powder intraworkout.
Btw every couple days you might want to look at having a large spinach and cucumber salad with olive oil.
I might add some avaocado in too but other then that, stick to this plan for at least two weeks.
When I come back August 1st from vacation I will be doing carb cycling and the brute body program under their direction.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:14 am to pressurized
I did it for a while and loved it, but eventually added in fruit and select vegetables and now it's even better and personally sustainable. To me, it's best served as a meat-forward elimination diet - from which you gradually add in plants one by one to see how you feel.
For instance, after 6wks carnivore, I added in broccoli...and I thought I would never stop farting; I was miserable. Same with raw kale, but cooked is fine.
To be sure, the diet is an overreaction, but it's an overreaction that your average person could really use.
I think it's a better step than mainstream Keto because it keeps you away from excessive supplemental fats and keto marketing.
IMO, the best perspective being widely shared right now is by Dr. Ted Naiman, who somewhat aligns with the carnivore diet but adds in plenty of "low sugar vegetables" - a very protein first, minimal carb diet.
For instance, after 6wks carnivore, I added in broccoli...and I thought I would never stop farting; I was miserable. Same with raw kale, but cooked is fine.
To be sure, the diet is an overreaction, but it's an overreaction that your average person could really use.
I think it's a better step than mainstream Keto because it keeps you away from excessive supplemental fats and keto marketing.
IMO, the best perspective being widely shared right now is by Dr. Ted Naiman, who somewhat aligns with the carnivore diet but adds in plenty of "low sugar vegetables" - a very protein first, minimal carb diet.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:15 pm to pressurized
Been since 2016. You really, really find that it drops cravings to nothing. I've tried to convince Hulk to switch over because it there are no excuses. Eat meat, drink water. Eat when hungry, don't eat when not. Simple and easy. You absolutely do not need any plant matter at all - do not let anyone state otherwise.
Feel free to ask questions. Check out justmeat.co as it contains lots of links on this diet. I found it very useful.
Most eat 2-3lbs a day. But you'll "work up an appetite" so you may need more and that is fine. It isn't really all that more expensive. I buy rib roasts and eat one very large ~1.5lbs steak most nights (plus lunch) and that's it.
Feel free to ask questions. Check out justmeat.co as it contains lots of links on this diet. I found it very useful.
Most eat 2-3lbs a day. But you'll "work up an appetite" so you may need more and that is fine. It isn't really all that more expensive. I buy rib roasts and eat one very large ~1.5lbs steak most nights (plus lunch) and that's it.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:20 pm to Junky
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It isn't really all that more expensive.
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Most eat 2-3lbs a day
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eat one very large ~1.5lbs steak most nights
That is a lot more expensive than most diets. You are eating almost $20/day worth of steak. You can like the diet and it's results, but don't just make shite up.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:03 pm to Junky
Yea you are jaded like me on price. I don't think anything of dropping over 200 a week, but most barely spend 100.
Even shopping for be sales it's more.
Even shopping for be sales it's more.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:02 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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That is a lot more expensive than most diets. You are eating almost $20/day worth of steak. You can like the diet and it's results, but don't just make shite up.
Don't be so obtuse. I've been doing this woe for 2 years. You need to shop the sales. I will usually use mygrocierydeals.com to see if anyone locally has anything decent. If ground beef is cheaper than Sam's or Costco, I'll grab some there. I always buy roasts (rib $9/lbs, chuck $4-5/lbs) and cut them into steaks as they are cheaper. I also buy from a local farmer during the fall getting ~$4 a pound for 100 or so pounds of various cuts. And that is just beef, pork ribs are $2-3/pound, and whole chickens can be had for as little as .99 cent/lbs. There are websites that can connect you to a farmer eatwild.com. I highly recommend making friends with a local farmer and support your local economy. Eggs are dang cheap, but if you want nutrition plus cheap, farmer's eggs are, what, $5/dozen....or free if you have your own chickens. There isn't just beef, I'll save beef bones and make stocks to drink from time/time. Chicken is always cheaper, pork meat is awesome with the right recipes. You find that snacking go away, you stay full for so long you do not need snacks. One can be full all day for as little as $5 a day. At my max I am $22 a day, but I am more than satisfied and pur like a kitten afterwards. With chicken/eggs/pork it absolutely can be done.
Even still - greens, vegetables, and salad cost way more than steak per calorie. Not to mention the shite people buy to put on a salad (croutons, dressings...olives). Then you have the pasta or spaghetti to go with the meal, it can add up.
But why do I even try? Because I feel awesome,, because I'm stronger, because it is easy as shite, and because cleanup after dinner is usually just one pan.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:01 am to Junky
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You absolutely do not need any plant matter at all - do not let anyone state otherwise.
Brock Lesnar was on this diet and damn near died due to the lack of fiber.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:38 am to Rust Cohle
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Can I still drink?
Wtf is up with people of this board wanting to start a fitness and health journey, yet first question they ask is can I drink?
Bunch of fricking alcoholics on here.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:50 am to JJ27
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Brock Lesnar was on this diet and damn near died due to the lack of fiber.
So he says.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:24 am to JJ27
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Brock Lesnar was on this diet and damn near died due to the lack of fiber.
This is unequivocally false
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:42 am to lsu777
Welcome to a South Louisiana-based message board?
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:44 am to tunechi
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How do you shite, baw?
Muh fiber....Try eating just a big, fatty short rib. again, and again. Drink heavy whipping cream afterwards. I can guarantee you will shite. Fiber has the exact opposite effect. Though I hate posting studies, reducing fiber relieves constipation.
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In conclusion, contrary to popularly held beliefs, reducing or stopping dietary fiber intake improves constipation and its associated symptoms.
There is an adaptation that needs to occur in the body when you completely abstain from plants. Stools become watery for 2-8 weeks. It took me 6 weeks. Now I am fine. Your body completely absorbs the meat you eat. That is why there is diarrhea at first. Once adapted, becomes firm and more infrequent. When taking a deeper dive into fiber, all the accolades (helping IBS, constipation, colon cancer) associated with eating fiber fall away as they just are not true.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:48 am to lsu777
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Wtf is up with people of this board wanting to start a fitness and health journey, yet first question they ask is can I drink?
Bunch of fricking alcoholics on here.
I can say that dry wines, whiskeys, and vodka are "okay" and to test BG levels before and after drinking each. There is a book out there call The Drinking Man's Diet published in the 60's. If you want to completely change - follow lsu777's advice and quit drinking for a bit.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 9:45 am to lsu777
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Wtf is up with people of this board wanting to start a fitness and health journey, yet first question they ask is can I drink?
Most people don't live and die by their workouts. I eat really strict and never miss the gym, but I drank a shite ton of beer and ate like shite on July 4th. Don't care.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 11:16 am to Junky
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You absolutely do not need any plant matter at all - do not let anyone state otherwise.
I’m not gonna argue whether you need it or not but I love fruits and vegetables so wouldn’t ever give that up. I have cut my sugar drastically down aside from fruits though last few months. I’m still working on cutting down on my wheat intake. I love the thought of a meat type diet but just like brocolli, green beans, fruits, etc too much to cut those out. But I still eat meat as main portion
Posted on 7/8/18 at 2:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
No I get on holidays and a glass of wine or two or beer or two even whiskey as I love to have those too but people act like it's a sin to suggest they give it up for a while or cut back to once a week.
It's like god damn, is drinking so important that you are willing to completely sacrifice health.
You can drink on any diet so long as it meets your macros but it will slow progress.
It's like god damn, is drinking so important that you are willing to completely sacrifice health.
You can drink on any diet so long as it meets your macros but it will slow progress.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:03 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Most people don't live and die by their workouts. I eat really strict and never miss the gym, but I drank a shite ton of beer and ate like shite on July 4th. Don't care.
Most fit people you mean?
For some of us do live and die by every workout and every days nutrition. I think it just depends on the ratio of your fit level to your goal deficit. That’s the where the mentality differs.
I quit 3 years ago, because for me it just wasn’t worth increasing the deficit between each workout and my goal body. If you are in a place where one day won’t hurt you then it may be worth it to you, then have that day, If you’re in a place where drinking every single day won’t increase the deficit then drink every day if it’s worth it to you,
But for personally, that “it’s just one day” mentality has been fricking me all my life, and I’ve come to a point that that deficit is the biggest thing in my life, nothing is worth increasing it, and so I don’t take days off of my eating habits, and I only take the days off of the gym because I understand that if I didn’t it could hinder my progress, not because I want to.
When someone gets to a place in their life that they want change more than any single thing, it’s not even a question of giving things up. Am I depriving myself? Who the frick cares? I’ve been spoiling myself my whole life, a little deprevation won’t kill me.
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