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re: LIV will announce tomorrow no funding beyond 2026
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:52 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:52 pm to The Pirate King
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They still have no logical response as to why a second tour is a bad thing other than "muh blood money".
Yall are having a delayed melt and it’s fricking glorious
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:55 pm to The Pirate King
quote:We call that the DP World Tour. It’s been around since 1972.
second tour
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:55 pm to The Pirate King
Other than the fact that it’s a terrible product whose entire premise was to turn golf tournaments into unserious walkabout exhibitions with bright colors and stupid logos and pop music blaring at all times. No stakes because everyone is paid a bazillion guaranteed dollars, the shotgun start is an awful idea for tournament golf and borderline invalidates the entire competition.
The team idea, the backbone of the whole idea, is one of the stupidest, most poorly thought out and implemented concepts in modern sports history. A vast majority of the players who went are tools. Greg Norman is a huge tool. Despite you trying to waive it away, it is Saudi backed which, regardless of if you think it raises moral questions, was always problematic because it wasn’t tethered to any sort of economic or viable business/sports reality.
Oh and having multiple sports leagues is bad in general because it just waters down the product, especially when week to week golf already faces an uphill battle with the majors for stakes and star power. The same reason every other successful sport in the world has conglomerated into one ultimate league that sits atop the pyramid over the past 100 years. Even soccer has to a degree with the champions league and now the club World Cup.
Other than those? Yeah no logical reason to not like LIV.
The team idea, the backbone of the whole idea, is one of the stupidest, most poorly thought out and implemented concepts in modern sports history. A vast majority of the players who went are tools. Greg Norman is a huge tool. Despite you trying to waive it away, it is Saudi backed which, regardless of if you think it raises moral questions, was always problematic because it wasn’t tethered to any sort of economic or viable business/sports reality.
Oh and having multiple sports leagues is bad in general because it just waters down the product, especially when week to week golf already faces an uphill battle with the majors for stakes and star power. The same reason every other successful sport in the world has conglomerated into one ultimate league that sits atop the pyramid over the past 100 years. Even soccer has to a degree with the champions league and now the club World Cup.
Other than those? Yeah no logical reason to not like LIV.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:18 pm to tigerfan88
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Oh and having multiple sports leagues is bad in general because it just waters down the product, especially when week to week golf already faces an uphill battle with the majors for stakes and star power.
you and your ilk have been adamant that LIV has no star power, weak fields, and the PGA tour hasn't missed a beat without them. Now you're saying it needs LIV players?
Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:13 pm to The Pirate King
Yeah definitely never said PGA needs LIV players so that’s false.
By every objective measure the pga tour hasn’t missed a beat, but it doesn’t mean that as a viewer it wouldn’t be better to have Rahm and Bryson playing with the rest of the worlds elite. Would add Brooks and Reed to that but they already jumped ship.
I would’ve said Niemann and Cam and DJ before LIV but it might’ve destroyed them permanently. But certainly pre-LIV those guys were pretty interesting.
Crazy thing about LIV is how boring and uninteresting it is having poached a bunch of guys who were interesting when on tour. So throw that in the same bucket as a reason to dislike LIV. They take guys who were or seem like they should be fun and interesting to watch play golf, and they do a great job of making them really not fun and interesting to watch
By every objective measure the pga tour hasn’t missed a beat, but it doesn’t mean that as a viewer it wouldn’t be better to have Rahm and Bryson playing with the rest of the worlds elite. Would add Brooks and Reed to that but they already jumped ship.
I would’ve said Niemann and Cam and DJ before LIV but it might’ve destroyed them permanently. But certainly pre-LIV those guys were pretty interesting.
Crazy thing about LIV is how boring and uninteresting it is having poached a bunch of guys who were interesting when on tour. So throw that in the same bucket as a reason to dislike LIV. They take guys who were or seem like they should be fun and interesting to watch play golf, and they do a great job of making them really not fun and interesting to watch
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:38 pm to The Pirate King
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you and your ilk have been adamant that LIV has no star power, weak fields, and the PGA tour hasn't missed a beat without them.
I mean, where's the lie?
The only thing LIV has is a few stars, but outside of Bryson, those guys are fading fast.
Rahm looks fricking washed. Cam Smith sucks now. The last ounce of GAF left DJ the moment the check cleared.
Y'all remember when Talor Gooch said that Rory's GS has an asterisk because he wasn't invited to the Masters? Holy shite lmao.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 6:22 am to JohnnyKilroy
I hope the tour doesn’t cave to Bryson and Rahm and makes them serve a year suspension. They tried to harm the tour and were marginally successful for a short period. Koepka was pretty clear he left because the Saudis offered him a mountain of cash, not because of grievances with the tour.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 7:22 am to lsupride87
“We all knew PIF was done with funding “
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:25 am to NewOrleansBlend
They will come back but they should have to pay a larger fine, much larger, than what was originally offered.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:29 am to lsupride87
You have to understand the situation that LIV has found itself in now.
remember, early on in this cycle, they were saying that they were "fully funded" through 2030. It's not just investments they thought they had but there also expenses in the form of those player contracts. Theyhave to meet those, Saudi or no Saudi.
Short of some big investors coming in, I think Chapter 11 Bankruptcy is in their future. It's the only way they can get out from under those contracts and go forward under a more sustainable business model, which I would guess is trying to get the DP World Tour to absorb some of their more successful international events.
remember, early on in this cycle, they were saying that they were "fully funded" through 2030. It's not just investments they thought they had but there also expenses in the form of those player contracts. Theyhave to meet those, Saudi or no Saudi.
Short of some big investors coming in, I think Chapter 11 Bankruptcy is in their future. It's the only way they can get out from under those contracts and go forward under a more sustainable business model, which I would guess is trying to get the DP World Tour to absorb some of their more successful international events.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:30 am to IamNotaRobot
Scuttlebutt Bryson and Rahm will be tougher returns than Brooks and Reed not only because of timing, but Bryson because he joined in the lawsuit and Rahm because basically everyone is pissed that he left when he did and gave LIV this big boost in the merger negotiations
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:32 am to bstaceyau19
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I think Chapter 11 Bankruptcy is in their future. It's the only way they can get out from under those contracts and go forward under a more sustainable business model,
I don't see anyone else investing in this thing.
The only thing LIV ever had was the monopoly money of the PIF to keep it going. With that gone no one is going to try and keep this corpse alive IMO.
I would be shocked if someone took on that burden.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:42 am to bstaceyau19
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I would guess is trying to get the DP World Tour to absorb some of their more successful international events.
Maybe I am naive to the assets LIV has at these events, but I don't know why the DPWT would be interested. Why not just create their own events in South Africa and Australia after seeing how successful they can be.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:48 am to DestrehanTiger
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Why not just create their own events in South Africa and Australia after seeing how successful they can be.
Exactly. LIV doesn't have exclusive rights to host a golf tournament in Adelaide or anywhere else. It wouldn't make any sense for the DPWT to need to partner with LIV to get in on having a tournament there.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:53 am to DestrehanTiger
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Why not just create their own events in South Africa and Australia after seeing how successful they can be.
Why reinvent the wheel? The LIV Aussie event is very successful there. No reason not to just absorb that event and the people who organize it locally. If it was easy to just plant a tournament somewhere they would do it. If there is a current one available, take it.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:53 am to DestrehanTiger
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Maybe I am naive to the assets LIV has at these events, but I don't know why the DPWT would be interested. Why not just create their own events in South Africa and Australia after seeing how successful they can be.
They co-sanction the Australian Open and South African Open already. Would be great if they could get those prize purses larger. Royal Melbourne is a top 10 course in the world and would be great to have an elite field there.
Clearly those are underserved markets
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:02 am to NewOrleansBlend
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They tried to harm the tour and were marginally successful for a short period. Koepka was pretty clear he left because the Saudis offered him a mountain of cash, not because of grievances with the tour.
Umm, Bryson and Rahm clearly left because of the mountain of cash too
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:04 am to lsupride87
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Nobody measured their self worth more than Rahm in this entire ordeal. He thought leaving the Tour was going to be the lynchpin for LIV to win and merge with the tour Yikes
To be fair, I think the deal was gonna happen until Yasir got butthurt at how much the Tour evaluated LIV’s worth to be. He walked away at that point when they could have merged last year.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:08 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Bryson and Rahm clearly left because of the mountain of cash too
Rahm left because of cash.
Bryson left because of cash but also because PGA Tour rules required his podcast to run through their media arm. I think LIV has same rule but allows him more creative control and let him keep more of the money than PGA Tour media would have.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:16 am to bstaceyau19
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Bryson left because of cash but also
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let him keep more of the money than PGA Tour media would have.
So cash?
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