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Was Bob Dole really the best the Republicans could muster in 1996?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:22 pm
I need to go back and review that primary slate. Bon Dole was admittedly on his political game back then. But dang, he did not have much vision compared to Bill Clinton. Why wasn’t anyone more formidable put forward to take on this hot shot kid who backs pores into the White House thanks to Ross Perot?
Side question: Why didn't HW Bush run again? I’m sure some voters would have come back to him.
Side question: Why didn't HW Bush run again? I’m sure some voters would have come back to him.
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Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:24 pm to TDFreak
Outside of W and Trump, the GOP has a bad habit of nominating candidates who had waited their turn. That’s what happened with Dole.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:25 pm to TDFreak
Nope
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:31 pm to TDFreak
No repub was beating clinton in 1996.
The economy was hot, bill was an incredible politician who convinced a whole lot of folks that he was a "new type of democrat" aka moderate and reasonable.
Also, the country had just had an era where repubs controlled the WH for all but 4 years between 1968 and 1992.
Voters wanted to give dems some more years.
In the event of an inevitable outcome, then someone like Dole deserved to be given the nomination, as a token of gratitude for his many decades of public service.
Also.....bob dole did the best he could and actually saved quite a few gop seats in congress. the polls showed bill and the dems winning in a huge double digit landslide. clinton underperfmed the polls and that cost the dems some seats.
The economy was hot, bill was an incredible politician who convinced a whole lot of folks that he was a "new type of democrat" aka moderate and reasonable.
Also, the country had just had an era where repubs controlled the WH for all but 4 years between 1968 and 1992.
Voters wanted to give dems some more years.
In the event of an inevitable outcome, then someone like Dole deserved to be given the nomination, as a token of gratitude for his many decades of public service.
Also.....bob dole did the best he could and actually saved quite a few gop seats in congress. the polls showed bill and the dems winning in a huge double digit landslide. clinton underperfmed the polls and that cost the dems some seats.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:32 pm to TDFreak
all potential candidates knew Clinton was going to win. this country was too stupid even then
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:10 am to TDFreak
Dole was the equivalent of 2008 McCain. “It’s his turn.” “Oh and he was in the military!!”
Posted on 6/14/21 at 5:01 am to TDFreak
I think Newt could have given Clinton a run in 1996.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 5:04 am to TDFreak
Bill Clinton never got over 50% of the popular vote.
43% in '92. 49% in '96.
Thanks Ross!
Posted on 6/14/21 at 5:37 am to TDFreak
No. Both he and McCain were "payoffs" for their years of service to the Uniparty.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:40 am to TDFreak
He was the good soldier and it was his turn. Yawn.
As noted above, pit bull Pat Buchanan was the best choice at the time, IMO.
As noted above, pit bull Pat Buchanan was the best choice at the time, IMO.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 6:47 am to TDFreak
A candidate running on Clinton’s 1996 platform would be considered an extreme conservative today
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:23 am to TDFreak
Yes. He spent three year lining ip endorsements and the donor cartel. Buchanan didn't have the $$$ to break through and the GOP establishment came out against him.
Carrol Campbell would've been great but didn't run. GOP didn't have the bench of governors it has now.
Carrol Campbell would've been great but didn't run. GOP didn't have the bench of governors it has now.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:44 am to TDFreak
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Was Bob Dole really the best the Republicans could muster in 1996?
I always thought of him as more of the sacrificial lamb since nobody was beating slick Willy that year.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:55 am to TDFreak
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No repub was beating clinton in 1996.
The economy was hot, bill was an incredible politician who convinced a whole lot of folks that he was a "new type of democrat" aka moderate and reasonable.
This.
You can't discount that even if Bill Clinton was as far left as his wife, he was smart enough to not show it. James Carville was also a master at advising him.
Remember, both welfare reform and the last balanced budget came under Clinton, he signed both. He might not have been originally been on board, but he was smart enough when he knew Newt Gingrich's policies had the support of a majority of the voting, taxpaying class, to jump on it and take credit.
Bill Clinton was a realist, and having that quality as a President will actually make him look good in the eyes of history compared to some of the other Presidents. He wasn't a disaster like Jimmy Carter or Lyndon Johnson.
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 8:01 am
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:04 am to TDFreak
The sad thing is, after the election he went on talk shows and was funny, personable, self-deprecating and really likable. If he'd presented that side of himself before, he might gave done better.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:55 am to TDFreak
Once Clinton won in 1992, the party basically went into hibernation, figuring it was easier to hold resources for 2000 and beat a Dem candidate rather than try and beat a Dem incumbent.
That they had W in their back pocket as the candidate of choice backed that up as he needed more time as governor of Texas to build credibility before a national run.
That they had W in their back pocket as the candidate of choice backed that up as he needed more time as governor of Texas to build credibility before a national run.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:27 am to TDFreak
First election I followed as a kid (seventh grade). Colin Powell could have had the nod if he wanted it.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:42 am to TDFreak
Bob Dole is a great man and he became MAGA AF
Posted on 6/14/21 at 11:14 am to TDFreak
Clinton destroyed Bush when he was up for re-election. Dole never had a chance. Did make for some funny Norm Macdonald skits on SNL though.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 11:17 am to TDFreak
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Was Bob Dole really the best the Republicans could muster in 1996?
GOP running Dole + Mitt + McCain is what eventually created President Trump. How mad can we really be at them?
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