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On Average, A Veteran Commits Suicide Every 65 Minutes
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:10 pm
Watching a documentary and this stat flashed on the screen. Really grabbed me by the throat for a minute.
For anyone in the know (former Vets) or if you're an acquaintance of anyone within that stat, what's the major problem? How, where and why do 'we' keep failing these guys and girls? Does more need to be done the second they come home to acclimate their heart and mind? Does it start way before that in terms of the process of getting them ready to be a soldier period? Is there simply not enough mental healthcare infrastructure that it's overwhelming to the VA/Other so it's just a wait and see approach?
20+ per day is an epidemic. Something's wrong. Bad wrong.
Sorry for the long Oweo wall of text.
For anyone in the know (former Vets) or if you're an acquaintance of anyone within that stat, what's the major problem? How, where and why do 'we' keep failing these guys and girls? Does more need to be done the second they come home to acclimate their heart and mind? Does it start way before that in terms of the process of getting them ready to be a soldier period? Is there simply not enough mental healthcare infrastructure that it's overwhelming to the VA/Other so it's just a wait and see approach?
20+ per day is an epidemic. Something's wrong. Bad wrong.
Sorry for the long Oweo wall of text.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:12 pm to Sao
Have you not heard of the #22-A-Day campaign that's been around for several years now?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:13 pm to Sao
They fought in wars for a country that pretends to love them but instead hung them out to dry when their service was over while attention whore citizens use them as props for their stupid agendas. What else would we expect to happen? It's a fricking tragedy.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:15 pm to Sao
My dad is part of that number. He was a Vietnam vet and couldn’t deal with what he saw or did over there. He took his life in 2010 at the age of 66. He was in therapy at the VA but couldn’t overcome it.
PTSD is real.
PTSD is real.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:17 pm to Sao
One of my undergrad professors at EKU worked part-time as a therapist at the VA. She would have a large waitlist and often talked about how she wished they could hire more personnel to deal specifically with mental health issues.
They probably have more access than some, but not nearly enough. PTSD can also be notoriously difficult to treat and is often a battle against substance use as well.
They probably have more access than some, but not nearly enough. PTSD can also be notoriously difficult to treat and is often a battle against substance use as well.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:17 pm to Sao
That is absolutely horrific.God bless our amazing veterans everywhere.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:18 pm to Sao
yet, the federal govt. no matter who is in office finds trillions of dollars for handout and gender studies in foreign countries.
and organizations like wounded warrior have to depend on donations from the public.
and organizations like wounded warrior have to depend on donations from the public.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:19 pm to Sao
quote:
Is there simply not enough mental healthcare infrastructure that it's overwhelming to the VA/Other so it's just a wait and see approach?
You nailed it. We, as a country, have gutted mental healthcare budgets for years now. This is an odd fact being that it runs counter to the supposed renewed focus and attention mental health issues are receiving. It is almost as if it is lip-service with little or no substance.
This coupled with the resistance to treatment/help in the Veteran community, for whatever reason, be it their training, their natural inclination, or a combination of the two, makes reaching them difficult. It is a sad situation all the way around.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:19 pm to Sao
One of our best neighborhood friends is very vocal on this. They have a hike in May. We donated some stuff and I am volunteering to help. This is something that should get more attention.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:19 pm to Sao
Very sad statistic. I am fortunate to have good resources as needed at my local VA. I am grateful for that.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:24 pm to Sao
I lost a battle buddy to suicide five years ago. One thing that I still think about from our conversations is how he would tell me he never thought about suicide until the VA started reminding him of it every time he called or visited a facility. He couldn’t do anything without a canned message telling him that if he’s thinking about suicide, there’s help.
Clearly that’s not the right approach. It’s still that way, as I endure the same messaging every time I need something.
Clearly that’s not the right approach. It’s still that way, as I endure the same messaging every time I need something.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:31 pm to Sao
VA system itself is a travesty. I use to work on behalf of veterans and assist them in dealing with the VA. Sadly, it all boils down to politics period. That is why the VA is garbage. They should privatize all of it and the gov't foot the bill. I have said it before and will say again and again and again!
The Government is good at 2 things:
1. Nothing
2. Overreacting
The Government is good at 2 things:
1. Nothing
2. Overreacting
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:31 pm to Sao
I met a very young Iraqi veteran who was having problems. His first assignment as a very young soldier was morgue duty. I can only imagine the mangled bodies he saw. I don’t know how anyone can be prepared for that. God Bless all our Veterans.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:31 pm to Sao
In addition to what others have mentioned, there's also the stigma (for some, not all) of seeking help or sharing with others.
When I was policing I responded to more than a few veteran suicides. On many occasions the family had no clue that their loved one was suffering.
I'm positive this happens amongst civilians as well, but I recall it being more impactful with vets.
Sad stuff.
When I was policing I responded to more than a few veteran suicides. On many occasions the family had no clue that their loved one was suffering.
I'm positive this happens amongst civilians as well, but I recall it being more impactful with vets.
Sad stuff.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:32 pm to Sao
Anyone know how this suicide rate compares to average population per 10,000 (or some normalizing denominator)?
1 every 65 minutes seems awfully high and that relative comparison would emphasize the difference versus average.
1 every 65 minutes seems awfully high and that relative comparison would emphasize the difference versus average.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:33 pm to Sao
My Paw Paw is a 70 year old Marine Veitnam Vet. . His best friend killed himself in 1981 leaving behind a new bride of just two months. And he's had several others over the years including a man just last year. It really is sad
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:41 pm to Sao
To prevent future generations from having to deal with this, we must completely change our mentality about war. We allow the media and evil politicians to scare us into supporting a monstrous foreign policy that results in tens of thousands of veterans coming home with serious mental issues. Until we stop policing the world, stop invading countries under the guise of fighting terrorism and stop nation building, this mental health epidemic will never stop. And that requires each and every American who values the lives of veterans to make foreign policy their number one voting issue. There isn't a hell hot enough for politicians who send our troops across the world to fight so the political class and its donors can make another billion.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 1:43 pm to Sao
I support https://tilvalhallaproject.com/ through purchasing their shirts. Their focus is on mental health of veterans. Plus the shirts are top notch blended fabric.
You're not going to find a more comfortable shirt for $12 that helps a good cause.
I support Wounded War Heroes as a local version of WWP.
You're not going to find a more comfortable shirt for $12 that helps a good cause.
I support Wounded War Heroes as a local version of WWP.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:02 pm to Sao
Out of my platoon of 45, we have had 8 suicides since we have been home. Its a combination of things. My secret has been to immerse myself in my work and my wife/kids. I have also mostly quit drinking entirely. That has been a huge help.
When I went to combat the first time, I had some college under my belt and a trajectory already in place. When I got out, I pursued a graduate degree and that took up all my time/energy. When you exhaust yourself with other things, you don't have time to dwell on things. Not everyone has this luxury. When I went the second time, I had my degree and alot of options when I got home. In other words, where a person was before they were in the service can play a huge role in where they end up. For most of us, our time in service was the best we will ever be in life. I know it was for me. I will never be that strong, fast, witted or alert again. I think that is true of most everyone.
Now imagine the guy who comes home having seen whatever he sees, but he is now home with no post HS education, no good job prospects, a history of family poverty, crime or substance abuse. Or someone whose wife can't deal with his post-deployment shite and leaves, taking his kids. Or he can't find or keep a job because of untreated issues. These things can all snowball and make someone give up fast. This is not in indictment of military service, but the horrors of war change people and can have a paralyzing effect on simple tasks of life that seem effortless to the average person. This leads to anger, sorrow and hopelessness. Then you turn to drugs, alcohol and eventually end it all.
I still have battles with the demons, but I have learned to recognize the triggers and avoid them if possible. Staying busy is the key.
One thing I have learned over the past few years is that you have a very small window to reach people in this kind of distress. If you are not paying attention, you may miss it and by the time you realize it, its too late.
When I went to combat the first time, I had some college under my belt and a trajectory already in place. When I got out, I pursued a graduate degree and that took up all my time/energy. When you exhaust yourself with other things, you don't have time to dwell on things. Not everyone has this luxury. When I went the second time, I had my degree and alot of options when I got home. In other words, where a person was before they were in the service can play a huge role in where they end up. For most of us, our time in service was the best we will ever be in life. I know it was for me. I will never be that strong, fast, witted or alert again. I think that is true of most everyone.
Now imagine the guy who comes home having seen whatever he sees, but he is now home with no post HS education, no good job prospects, a history of family poverty, crime or substance abuse. Or someone whose wife can't deal with his post-deployment shite and leaves, taking his kids. Or he can't find or keep a job because of untreated issues. These things can all snowball and make someone give up fast. This is not in indictment of military service, but the horrors of war change people and can have a paralyzing effect on simple tasks of life that seem effortless to the average person. This leads to anger, sorrow and hopelessness. Then you turn to drugs, alcohol and eventually end it all.
I still have battles with the demons, but I have learned to recognize the triggers and avoid them if possible. Staying busy is the key.
One thing I have learned over the past few years is that you have a very small window to reach people in this kind of distress. If you are not paying attention, you may miss it and by the time you realize it, its too late.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:36 pm to Sao
You're conditioned and trained to be war fighters, you fight their wars, and they send you on your way when your enlistment is up. You're not conditioned or trained on how to reacclimate yourself back into society and most spend the rest of their lives feeling like they no longer belong in society. If you top that with some of the things we've seen and/or done, you have a recipe for disaster without REAL help...And most were conditioned to compartmentalize and keep things to yourself out of fear of being looked down upon while you're in and just our of fear when you're out.
We have the greatest military in the world, but we severely lack in care and reacclimating our veterans back into society. We see it for every major war but we never learn.
We have the greatest military in the world, but we severely lack in care and reacclimating our veterans back into society. We see it for every major war but we never learn.
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