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re: Society breaks down and you have to make it in a subsistence agriculture situation
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:52 am to baldona
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:52 am to baldona
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The real question would be why?
Because chickens are excellent at controlling pests, creating compost for next season, and provide eggs and eventually meat in a small space.
If you're organic gardening (as everyone would in a societal breakdown) on a small space (under an acre), chickens are a no-brainer.
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:53 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Individual probably about a 1/2 to 3/4 acre unless you grow hydro/vertical then you can reduce quite a bit. Going to have to be able to know how to preserve and can foods also.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:53 am to Centinel
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On an acre or less I'm only raising chickens.
You can have room for a few pigs and goats as well
y'all just have to realize that literally every sq ft (besides the home) is going to have to be utilized for some purpose to growing food
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:53 am to OysterPoBoy
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That will get you 3/5 of the way there.
Is that supposed to be some sort of compromise?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:54 am to Salmon
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You can have room for a few pigs and goats as well
Not saying you couldn't. I'm just saying what I would do.
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y'all just have to realize that literally every sq ft (besides the home) is going to have to be utilized for some purpose to growing food
Hence my mentioning of permaculture. It's a fascinating rabbit hole to go down if you haven't already.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:58 am to Centinel
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Not saying you couldn't. I'm just saying what I would do.
where are you getting your fat/lard?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:58 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Minimum Standards:
1 Cow - 2 Acres or 1 Acre split during winter for 1/2 bedding and 1/2 rye grass.
10 Goats/Sheep - 1 Acre
5 Chickens for eggs only - 5'x5' coup + 20' run. (probably need 50 meat chickens for family for the year but they'll only be fed for 4 months).
Animal feed - 1 Cow + 10 Goats + Chickens = ~2 Acres of Corn
Garden - 1/4 acre per person per year. You'd have to jar/can and make sauces, salsas, jelly, jams, pastes, etc.
I'd say a MIN of 10 acres to live off grid without contact from outside world but if you can afford 100 acres you open yourself up to hunting -- deer, wild pig, and etc besides farming.
1 Cow - 2 Acres or 1 Acre split during winter for 1/2 bedding and 1/2 rye grass.
10 Goats/Sheep - 1 Acre
5 Chickens for eggs only - 5'x5' coup + 20' run. (probably need 50 meat chickens for family for the year but they'll only be fed for 4 months).
Animal feed - 1 Cow + 10 Goats + Chickens = ~2 Acres of Corn
Garden - 1/4 acre per person per year. You'd have to jar/can and make sauces, salsas, jelly, jams, pastes, etc.
I'd say a MIN of 10 acres to live off grid without contact from outside world but if you can afford 100 acres you open yourself up to hunting -- deer, wild pig, and etc besides farming.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:59 am to Centinel
meat goats. They can thrive on a lot of random forage, require less acreage and you can milk them. Also way easier to slaughter than a cow.
Acre and a half for goats. Half acre for potatoes, beans and such.
Acre and a half for goats. Half acre for potatoes, beans and such.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:02 am to Salmon
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where are you getting your fat/lard?
Schmaltz. And keep in mind if we're going down this hypothetical road, how I cook would change quite a bit. I'd have only minimal requirements for cooking fats.
And like another poster brought up, ideally I'd be able to trade with someone who preferred to raise pigs. But it wouldn't be strictly necessary.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:09 am to LSUballs
Your average dude these days couldnt push mow an acre much less maintain an acre garden. I used to take care of a 3 acre garden and it was a 20 hour/week job to do it justice.
I got enough room to grow enough shite to make it, but I doubt I could keep the riff raft from fricking it up
I got enough room to grow enough shite to make it, but I doubt I could keep the riff raft from fricking it up
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:21 am to LSUTigersVCURams
2 acres, would have a nice greenhouse set up with lots of chickens and maybe some pigs/goats.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:47 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I could do it on what I have now. I have 4 acres and access to another 5. I would have as big of a garden as I could manage, along with some sort of hoop houses for early and late season growing. I would raise both chickens and rabbits. With the use of the rabbits manure and scraps from the garden, I would raise red worms for fish bait and for vermicompositing and helping to feed the chickens. I would dig a root cellar early in the process for long term storage.
Outside of the digging the root cellar, I've already done everything on the list at one point or another, and have that knowlede.
Outside of the digging the root cellar, I've already done everything on the list at one point or another, and have that knowlede.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:52 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Not sure about the acreage, but in this scarcity scenario I think you’re gonna high calorie foods. I’m thinking potatoes.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:54 am to eng08
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700 sf for each person
Cut it in half and you get.....
Treefiddy
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:57 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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What is the minimum amount of acreage you need to make it?
Depends on how many folks you are feeding, quality of soil, and general climate. Generally speaking though, a single person can survive off of a quarter acre to half acre.
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Hence my mentioning of permaculture.
My man.
Check out Sepp Holzer if you aren't already familiar.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:59 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Before the boating accident, I had a bunch of guns that said all I need is however much acreage you have
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:20 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
No one mentioned perhaps the easiest and least expensive means for protein: rabbits. I raised meat rabbits for a time and they will eat nearly anything green. I feed them grass clippings, hedges, garden waste you name it. They’re quite, clean, hardy and breed like, well, rabbits. Two bucks and one doe could easily provide two rabbits a week conservatively. It is easy to upscale as well. The waste is a cold manure so it can be used immediately to increase crop yields. I had New Zealand Whites and they were slaughter size ( 4-5lbs) in about 10-14 weeks. Each doe averaged 8-10 kits per litter up to 4-6 cycles a year.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:28 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
To feed yourself And you have to feed the live stock also you going to need more than an acre If you want protein
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:28 pm to HempHead
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My man.
Check out Sepp Holzer if you aren't already familiar.
I am. I've already converted about half my backyard mainly using the Garden of Eden method. I'd like to do some hugelkultur, I just don't really have the room.
I had most of it in place with the canopy and bush/shrub layer, but then Dominion Energy was doing a bunch of limb trimming in my hood and I had them dump an entire load of wood chips in my driveway. Almost perfect mix of brown and green. It's already composting like a mofo, so I've been busting my arse to get it down to cover the half of the backyard.
Need a couple more fruit trees to complement my persimmon and peach and I'll be set at that layer. Bush layer is goji berry, pomegranate, blueberry, raspberry,blackberry, and pineapple guava. I'll probably pop in a few goumi berry bushes next year. I've got the usual comfrey (russian) for my chop and drop perennial ground layer.
Annual veggies/herbs round out the ground/root layer. I've already got self-seeded tomatillos this year.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:37 pm to Centinel
You need a water source also
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