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re: Society breaks down and you have to make it in a subsistence agriculture situation

Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:40 pm to
Anyone want to donate some land to me, you'll be partying in 4-6 months

Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:42 pm to
The army that I raise will plunder your crops
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55517 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:43 pm to
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The army that I raise will plunder your crops



Give a man a fish...
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43390 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:44 pm to
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The army that I raise will plunder your crops


Your army will be dead seven days after the last walmarks
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34212 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:46 pm to
2 years ago I put in 3 ten yard rows of corn. We had more corn than we knew what to do with.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64190 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:16 pm to
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hunt and fish.


Every deer, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, duck, catfish, bass, carp, crappie and bream will be gone in 24 months except for the most remotest of remote places.

Hell, the native deer population in the southeast isn't white tail, it was another deer that was hunted to extinction and that's when population density was .01% of what it is now.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64190 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:18 pm to
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3 ten yard rows of corn. We had more corn than we knew what to do with.


By the time you feed your chickens and a few other livestock, dry a bunch for milling, that corn doesn't go very far.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27624 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:20 pm to
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This is where a bunch of fat guys on .25 acre in the suburbs say they can live off the land in a post apocalyptic world



There's actually a ton of youtubers who show you to grow your own food on a quarter acre. Making 6 figures gardening micro greens and other quick maturing plants. Pretty interesting rabbit hole to fall in if you're curious.

Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19310 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:22 pm to
Not sure an exact figure, but it wouldn't be a very big area I don't think. I think you could feed a family of 4 on maybe 3 or 4 acres maybe. That should be big enough to raise some chickens and a few pigs and have a decent enough garden for fruits and veggies. Idk maybe 5 acres and still have room to rotate crops every other year where you don't deplete the soil.

ETA you could definitely do it on less than 5 acres but 5 acres would be big enough to give you some options and variety where you aren't eating the same 3 or 4 things every day. Something that size would let you keep living without making a huge sacrifice in you quality of life I think.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64190 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:24 pm to
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Making 6 figures gardening micro greens and other quick maturing plants.


That's not the same as sustaining a household. They can sell 6 oz of trendy microgreens for $7 and the plant continues replenishing itself in a controlled enviroment (with electricity, mind you) is a great money making business. But in a SHTF scenario, a quarter acre of microgreens is absolutely worthless.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64190 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:26 pm to
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I think you could feed a family of 4 on maybe 3 or 4 acres maybe. That should be big enough to raise some chickens and a few pigs and have a decent enough garden for fruits and veggies.


Do you have any idea how much pigs eat? You will need an acre per pig just to grow enough food to feed it.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:27 pm to
a big back yard for vegies and a liking for venison and a fishing pole.

how long before we can buy food at the grocery?



Posted by naturaltiger
Denham Springs
Member since Mar 2004
134 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:28 pm to
Bout Forty acres and a mule with about 3 horses and 8 head of cattle. Need to rename my son Hondo and teach him to be fast with a gun.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83630 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:29 pm to
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Making 6 figures gardening micro greens and other quick maturing plants.


no they aren't

Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27624 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:30 pm to
Tell that to a vegan baw


I'll just go to the family ranch. roughly 300 acres and about 50 heads of cattle so I'm good
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55517 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:31 pm to
You could maybe approach 100k in revenue with aquaponic greenhouses on a quarter acre, but you'd have to be growing some really special shite.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19310 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:32 pm to
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Do you have any idea how much pigs eat?

I've never raised pigs, so no, I don't. I never claimed to be an expert and this is just a hypothetical. For shits and giggles.

So nix the hogs and keep the chickens and raise some rabbits. That, plus going to hunt bigger game whenever you need to stock up, or fishing if you had access. I think it could be done between 4 people pitching in.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14034 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:34 pm to
80ac at least. Part for ag, part pasture, part hardwood timber for fire wood, small game, deer, etc. Need a few water wells and a pond as well. Ideally it would front a river but be high enough to not flood on most years.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
6392 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:34 pm to
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What is the minimum amount of acreage you need to make it?


I enjoy organic gardening, but I’m really not too great at it. Half my stuff either dies from pests/disease or me just not caring for them enough.

So the answer that I would need a 6ft by 2ft plot because there’s zero chance I’m surviving in this scenario
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27624 posts
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:36 pm to
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no they aren't


I mean alright but there are people who are doing it

Urban Farmers

Quarter acre set up

Epic Gardening

Small farm big growth

.25 homestead tour



Just a few examples. It's neat, but I don't know anybody in Arkansas paying $$ for fresh produce the way they are selling it.
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